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Fox Hunting

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Uhu · 16/09/2004 11:54

Tally Ho!

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Anteater · 17/09/2004 01:11

Hunting with horses in the real world is an utter waste of time... if you want to catch a fox , hunt with hounds on foot or use a gun, this is what happens in the real world.

This will not stop, with or without a law, stupid ehh girl?

Interestingly our local free range egg producer employs a full time fox gunman... do you think we should put them all back in cages stupid girl??

Linking fox hunting and human torture should be illegal.

Politics and the real world ehhh, go back to Italy Tony, time up.

gothicmama · 17/09/2004 06:11

I have found the media coverage to be hypocritical when compared to the May day demonstrations where the protesters were villified now it seem to be the police who are. There are other safer more humane ways to keep the fox population down and I am sure teh people who hunt can still do so but without the potentoal for carnage at the end- The one thing I can't understand is when They say about the pack of hounds having to be put down - They are kept in a state of hyperness adn are put down when they are too old to hunt anyway so it would only be a couple years earlier anyway

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edam · 17/09/2004 09:00

Exactly gothicmama - hugely hypocritical of hunts to go 'oh, poor little hounds, we'll have to put them down'. Frankly if you own an animal you should treat it well. The hunts have a responsibility to look after their hounds. The toddler argument that 'waaaaa if you don't let me have my own way I'll throw my dolly out of the pram' isn't very impressive.

stupidgirl · 17/09/2004 12:23

Hunters crying crocodile tears over the possibility of having to shoot their hounds is quite stunning in its hypocrisy. Hunts routinely shoot hounds when they become too slow to keep up with the pack, usually at the age of six, and only half way through their natural life. Also hunts breed more puppies each year than they need to replace the older hounds that they shoot. Any puppy which doesn't show a liking or talent for hunting is routinely shot. Even if hunts refused to convert to drag hunting and shot every single one of their hounds, this would be as many hounds destroyed as would take place in just a couple of years of hunting as it is now.

stupidgirl · 17/09/2004 12:25

I know I said I wouldn't come back until after the weekend, but I was on the pc and thought I'd just take a peek...

Anteater, I'm not sure quite what you're trying to say to me?

pixel · 17/09/2004 15:13

Does no-one realise that these are not lap dogs? They are big, powerful animals who can travel many miles in a day and jump a six foot fence with ease. They are bred to hunt and you cannot just switch off their instincts. I think that to 're-home' a hound and expect it to live the rest of it's life on a lead is extremely cruel. Everyone condemns circuses and zoos that keep animals in cages yet it is ok to take a hound away from the pack and make it live a life completely alien to it. This is why hounds are not retired.

MeanBean · 17/09/2004 21:28

So why are greyhounds retired then Pixel? And what about other dogs which were bred to be extraordinarily active, like rottweilers, alsations, weimaraners, dobermans, etc. Are all their owners cruel as well?

Cam · 17/09/2004 22:32

I really can't be bothered to read this long thread but I am the grandaughter of two sets of farming/landowners/hunting gradndparents and I know for a fact that hunting foxes is not a cruel "sport". Why do people who know nothing about farming life think they have a valid opinion?

MeanBean · 17/09/2004 22:47

Cam, why do you think that your opinion is more valid than anyone else's just because of who your relatives are?

And what world are you living in where you state that your opinion, which is so strongly contested, is fact?

I know for a fact that the earth is flat. My relatives all fell off the edge. So there.

Heathcliffscathy · 17/09/2004 22:55

mb

Cam · 17/09/2004 23:22

Mb and Sophable, what (and why) are your views?
Most anti-hunting people know nothing about it. Fact. (David Brent). But still true.

hercules · 17/09/2004 23:24

My dad was on the front cover of horse and hound. I still say good thing it's banned!

Heathcliffscathy · 17/09/2004 23:25

cam (at the david brent comment)

Heathcliffscathy · 17/09/2004 23:26

see below (i think that politically it's a red herring)

clairabelle · 17/09/2004 23:28

I'm with you sophable what the f is TB doing debating fox hunting when there are slightly bigger fish to fry.

Cam · 17/09/2004 23:32

Oh fgs (for god's sake) don't we all just hate Tony Blair anyway?

suedonim · 17/09/2004 23:47

And isn't it a bit bizarre that whilst the govt is busy outlawing foxhunting, they've just granted permission to cull cormorant birds because they take fish away from fishermen!! Let's have a bit of consistency here, please.

suedonim · 17/09/2004 23:47

And isn't it a bit bizarre that whilst the govt is busy outlawing foxhunting, they've just granted permission to cull cormorant birds because they take fish away from fishermen!! Let's have a bit of consistency here, please.

80sMum · 17/09/2004 23:59

Yes, there are contradictions everywhere, suedonim. It's a crazy old world. But I think what I find distasteful about foxhunting and other so-called 'blood sports' is that people seem to take pleasure out of killing and torturing animals. At least the cormorant cull isn't for pleasure - it's commercial, just like slaughtering animals for food. Bit of a rough deal for the animals I'll agree but it's not killing for the sake of it or killing for enjoyment.

Cam · 18/09/2004 00:09

But 80's mum that's what farmers know

Avalon · 18/09/2004 00:09

Isn't killing animals for food doing it for the sake of enjoyment - of meat?

MeanBean · 18/09/2004 00:10

I'm not that passionate about the fox hunting issue, but I think unnecessary cruelty should always be outlawed. And it's absurd to say it's not cruel to chase an animal to its death. And the idea that you need to be born in the country and follow the hunt to know that, is like saying you need to go through labour to know it's painful.

The argument that there are more important things to worry about is completely invalid, as there are always more important things to worry about in life. On that basis, bear-baiting would never have been abolished. Or cock fighting. Or badger baiting. And the RSPCA would never have been set up, because people would have realised that it was much more important to set up the NSPCC. You don't wait for all the big problems of the world to be sorted out before you decide to sort out the little ones. That's a recipe for doing nothing ever. And I know foxes are unkind to chickens, but we're not foxes are we, we're human beings with a consciousness of what cruelty is.

Avalon · 18/09/2004 00:15

I am really failing to understand anyone's stance on hunting if you're not vegetarian. Isn't it just as cruel to kill chickens for your Sunday lunch?