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Children's Society report that nearly 2/3rds of us aren't able to spend enough time with children because of pressure of life and work - what are your thoughts?

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JustineMumsnet · 17/07/2007 12:43

Hi all,
We've been asked for the Mumsnet take on a new report by the Children's Society which say that family life is under threat because of the pressures of work.

From the Children?s Society:

FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS STRUGGLING REVEALS NEW SURVEY
Date: 17 July 2007

Family relationships appear to be under threat as parents across the UK struggle with the demands of work, raising concerns over how much time they can spend with their children, a new poll commissioned by The Children's Society highlights today.

From this survey of UK adults, 61% said that parents nowadays don't get enough time to spend with their children while almost half of those questioned (48%) said that they had to put their career first even if this affected their family life. These results reflect the growing dilemmas over childcare British parents can feel when trying to juggle the many demands of modern life in a country that already puts in some of the longest working hours in Western Europe.

The survey, conducted by GfK NOP, is the second in a series called reflections on childhood commissioned by The Children's Society as part of its Good Childhood Inquiry - the UK's first independent national inquiry into childhood.

When adults were asked if a pre-school child was likely to suffer if his or her mother worked, almost half of all participants (48%) disagreed, but a significant number (37%) agreed. Two thirds (67%) of respondents said they didn't believe that parents should stay together when they didn't get along, even when there are children in the family.

Children contributing to The Good Childhood Inquiry* however, saw a happy home life as one in which they spent time together as a family. Although several submissions from children spoke of parents being too busy to spend time with them, saying:

'When your parents are always arguing or have full time jobs they don't spend any time with you. You feel lonely with nobody to talk to and all you can do is play on the computer or watch TV.'

Overwhelmingly, both the GfK NOP survey and the submissions to the inquiry identified love as the most important component for a happy childhood - 67% of adults polled and 70% of children's submissions.

Bob Reitemeier, chief executive of The Children's Society said: 'Family is hugely important in the lives of all children yet modern society appears to be pulling them apart. Only by taking a closer look at how a child's need for family can be met in the context of the 21st century, can we ensure a good childhood for all children. Without this fresh perspective and a better understanding of how to support families, we risk damaging the successful growth and development of future generations.'

(Daily Mail report here)

Would love to know what you think?

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 17/07/2007 16:58

Oh, yes, how could I forget! It's all because my expectations are too high! That's it. Exactly. I expect too much. I want it all now.

Wanting to pay rent, council tax and basic bills each and every month on time so I don't rack up fines or get evicted.

That is really expecting too much.

Uh huh.

Groundhog Day.

WideWebWitch · 17/07/2007 16:58

lol at the idea of picking a teacher to marry so you don't have to find childcare in the holidays! ha ha ha ha ha. No true poverty? OF COURSE there is, there are MILLIONS of people living in poverty in th UK, where have you been living not to know this?

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 16:59

when i was growing up my mum didnt work, we didnt have aphone, no car, hand me down clothes and not a lot spent on birthdays /xmas. My mum used to shop everyday purely for the food for that evenings meal so no waste. i sure as heck dont live like that. even though we have little spare cash i still need things like dishwasher, tumblen dryer etc.

if it was the choice between my house or the internet/car/mobile/meals out I know which I would keep

expatinscotland · 17/07/2007 16:59

Of course, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you work, it's because of your extravagant lifestyle and high expectations. If you don't, you're a lazy, scrounging waste of space.

dobbysayswoof · 17/07/2007 16:59

I need to leave this thread, as I have to go and collect my dd from the uneducated low-paid strangers she spends 5 days a week with. I don't think I'll be looking in tonight.

Enjoy yourselves though.

homemama · 17/07/2007 17:00

at 'true poverty is rare'

Only in the minds of 1980's tories!

Jammy, can I suggest you read Polly Toynbee's, Hard Work,life in low pay Britain. It may be an eye opener for you.

expatinscotland · 17/07/2007 17:01

Newsflash, Jammy: back when we were kids, we didn't have a lot that we have now because - - it didn't EXIST! Yes, that's right! Technology has made inroads in the past few years. It truly has. At the same time, wages have stagnated and housing costs - RENTS, council tax, the cost of power, etc. - have increased exponentially.

UnquietDad · 17/07/2007 17:01

The changes in the housing market count for a HUGE amount of this, I reckon. In the 1970s/80s you could buy a pretty good house in the suburbs for the average wage of a teacher or solicitor or banker or civil servant, and look to have the mortgage paid off in 25 years. It's almost impossible now on one income.

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 17:02

but havent MN been asked for the MN take on this?

Honestly tot up how much money you spend on things other than bills/council tax/rent/mortgage and see how it relates to your income

anniemac · 17/07/2007 17:03

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UnquietDad · 17/07/2007 17:03

We have done, JP.
If we didn't both work we couldn't pay the bills..
End of story.

francagoestohollywood · 17/07/2007 17:03

I'm a bit fed up of articles like this. And imo family life is under threat for many reasons that aren't necessarily linked to parents needing (and why not wanting) to work full time.
Not to mention the fact that for MANY family working is the only way out of poverty and emargination.

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 17:03

maybe thats it - im an old cow and joined the property makret 12 years ago. I dont know how it wuld be now to be fair.

casbie · 17/07/2007 17:04

i'm mean expectations as in the sense of ideals.

i know lots of people expect to live in a nice house, both go to work, children go to childcare, go on holiday abroad once a year etc

but they have debt problems, credit cards.

i'm not saying that's right about everyone - i'm saying that lots of people do. i'm just glad that we tread water and pay the bills.

homemama · 17/07/2007 17:04

Read the book, Jammy. Read about the dinner ladies who work their backsides off for minimum wage and need to take the leftovers home in order to be able to feed their kids.

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 17:09

look thats just my opinion which is as valid as any one of yours.

i will read that book thanks for th tip

and yes i do open my eyes. my friend who used to live over the road lost her house because she overspent to compensate for working so much and then had to work more to compensate for the spending.

casbie · 17/07/2007 17:09

also it is what is expected of parents...

parents are supposed to be

at home (be with kids)
at work (earn money)
filling the grandparent role
go out and have 'me' time
be at home and have 'family time'
go out with hubby and have 'couple time'
help at the school
help in the community

all at the same time
and it's impossible.

anniemac · 17/07/2007 17:12

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expatinscotland · 17/07/2007 17:15

I want to swap my world for Jammy's! That would solve all my problems!

homemama · 17/07/2007 17:17

And just so you know, Jammy. My opinions don't come from someone angry about my situation.
I'm a SAHM (work the odd day) whose DH earns quite a considerable amount in the city.
I'm fortunate not to have any financial worries and to have the choice to SAH.
Most mums really,truly do not have that choice. My mum didn't.

Your 'poverty is rare' comment just p'd me off because I have known it first hand. I grew up on one of the most deprived council estates in the country and I have taught in inner city schools. Millions of people in this country are living hand to mouth. Millions more are just getting by through scrimping, being frugal oh and working f/t.

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 17:17

what do you know about my world expat?

OrmIrian · 17/07/2007 17:17

Ooh I demand it annie!! Actually if I don't get a little me time I become so horrible that the kids and DH chuck me out of the house .

It's couple time that tends to suffer in our family and I've learnt the hard way that does us no good at all.

JammyPotter · 17/07/2007 17:18

"i do think true poverty is rare - certainly on Mumsnet "

i think i said on Mumsnet!

FioFioJane · 17/07/2007 17:19

poverty is rare on mumsnet

no-one eats frey netos despite th fact they are goooorgeous for a start

francagoestohollywood · 17/07/2007 17:21

I don't work (bar the odd translation), but I can't honestly say that my children are better adjusted, more confident, happier than the children of my friends who work full time.

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