Horrifying so-called 'honour' killing

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The father and uncle of Banaz Mahmod have been sentenced for killing her and chopping up her body. Monstrous. And terrible that apparently the police let her down, failing to take threats against her life seriously.
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6743357.stm]

Interesting that Banaz's sister Bekhal never goes out now without being covered from head to foot, for fear of her life. I might think differently when I see a woman wearing the hijab now.

This story is so overwhelmingly horrific and upsetting, I am still reeling. What can we DO to stop this? I am just casting about in frustrated horror really, but my instinct is that as a huge network of switched-on and intelligent women, we ought to be able to organise in some way to combat atrocities like this against other women.

The police officer (female) who dealt with this poor woman needs sacking IMO. She was utterly useless. Not only did she write her off as an 'attention-seeker' but she asked the woman's father about the allegation. Yup, the very man the woman accused of trying to kill her.
It is shameful.

aloha, I think she also considered charging her with criminal damage over a broken window, when Banaz leapt out of it to escape from her father

I'd forgotten that bit Bundle...how must that poor woman have felt. It must, quite literally, have been like one of those nightmares where you run but you can't escape and nobody is going to help you. Like Rosemary's Baby or something.

I'd forgotten that bit Bundle...how must that poor woman have felt. It must, quite literally, have been like one of those nightmares where you run but you can't escape and nobody is going to help you. Like Rosemary's Baby or something.

oh that is appalling.

i know aloha, that mobile phone footage of her in hospital is so haunting.

The police need more training on minorities

Dh and his workplace ahd a visit from a policewoman doing a race awareness event recently- she SWORE at them and accused them all of being closet racists in that industry- fortunately the person she swore at was ex Military police and has since amde a formal complaint which ahs beeen upheld I beleive

And there was a case on here some while ago of the police entering the home of an autistic child and getting funny because he reacyted badly to them being there!

I'm 100% behind the police force but amnya ren't, and often its because of thsi sort of thing.

~OMG what a bloody awful policewoman

How unfortunate to get her allocated to your case.

I hope she has the humility to learn something from this. Attention seeking indeed.

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Peachy, I would be interested to know a little more about your dissertation especially slavery. Is it a published paper?

Its in progres atm, actually. Is it an area of interest to you? I wanted to do Slavery and Religion but its too wide so had to narrow it doen to the transatlantic slave trade- my prof (who lives next door ahnduily) is something of a font of knowledge on this (lectures in Islam, Christianity and Ethics)

Peachy, with all due respect to your "Islam teacher" here is the related bit in Quran:

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women,..."

Quran 24:30-31

Note that it is directed at all "believing women" and not just to Mohammad's wives. Almost all Islamic scholars agree that a woman's "beauty" includes our hair as well as pretty much all our body.

Here is another:

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be bothered."

Quran 33:59

One could argue that cloaks/veils here could also be translated as dresses or garments but it would help to remember that the clothing of the time included head pieces, so they did not really have to be specified.

Again, I am not religious at all but had to study quite a bit of the Quran in school and did my own (anti) research to talk back at the teachers On this issue, unfortunately, I have to say that the desire to cover women up like dolmas is pretty clear.

I satnd corectef over the second- the first i actuallya lluded to below, perhaps the difference is the interpretation, I dont take that to mean hair. A matter of interpretative theology I suspect.

I shall raise the issue with the Prof (but only after checking my notes in case my faulty memory collided with being too lazy tor etrieve notes)

(BTW my Qur'an translates that last quote as Prophet tell your wives your daughtters and women believers to amke their outer garements hang low over them so as to be recognised and not insulted'

and I am sure it is my mistake not the teachers- he's Professor of Islam and wellr espected

Looked this sad story up on MNet and found this thread, after reading that today her murderers were finally sentenced: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11716272