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AMBER RUDD HAS GONE!!!!!

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SubtitlesOn · 29/04/2018 22:07

!!!!!

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TammyWhyNot · 30/04/2018 07:57

TM has lost her human shield, then.

Saltcrust · 30/04/2018 08:05

I'm not sure I would describe Rees-Mogg as honest Roundaboutsnail. He is a major shareholder in an emerging markets investment firm, which makes one question his supposedly "principled" support of a hard Brexit.

ChattyLion · 30/04/2018 08:11

I really feel uneasy about this because I thought she was a good, level-headed politician and the cabinet was better off with her in it.

I agree with this. Not a conservative voter.

I agree. She also had some explicitly pro woman policies that the left would/have never have had the guts to put in place. I wonder what will happen to all that work now. I was happy to have her as home sec.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 30/04/2018 08:12

Salt crust

Hmm. It’s not like lots of remainer mps don’t have financial interests tied to the eu is it...

QuoadUltra · 30/04/2018 08:27

To those saying they are glad she has gone: why? Do you believe she is racist? Incompetent?

I used to work for a head teacher and her days were so busy and full and hectic that both of us would forget stuff. There was so much going on. She was a brilliant headteacher. It is completely possible to be good at your job and not remember everything you did six months ago.

boatyardblues · 30/04/2018 08:35

Let’s not forget Jacob Rees-Mogg recently met with Steve Bannon, which makes him shady as hell and problematic in my book.

AR’s mistake was not asking her minions to pull everything up about this policy, especially anything that might have crossed her desk since she took on the role, so she was properly briefed. When I’ve been involved in investigating roblematic cases at work, a lot of it comes down to asking the right questions of everyone involved, including whether anyone flexed/operated outside of the official guidance or policies.

Saltcrust · 30/04/2018 08:45

Heyduggee do they? Like who (and what)? Not being snippy; genuinely interested.

SubtitlesOn · 30/04/2018 10:23

Said Jeffrey is new Home Secretary

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SubtitlesOn · 30/04/2018 10:25

*SAJID JAVID IS NEW HOME SECRETARY
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sorry for predictive text in post before Blush

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PawprintsOnMyHeart · 30/04/2018 10:29

I'm feeling a little uncomfortably cynical about Sajid Javid's appointment. Feels like a PR stunt - the son of a Pakistani migrant who was vocal against the Windrush scandal...

Smacks strongly of him being chosen precisely because he makes the government look like it cares about immigrants all of a sudden... which is fine, but Home Secretary is a serious job. No idea whether he has the experience to deal with it - can someone who knows more about this tell me?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/04/2018 10:38

I'm glad she has gone, she carried on the toxic policies that Theresa May instigated.

However, how the hell can May have say there, defending her, saying she had full confidence in Rudd, when she will have known that Rudd was not telling the truth.

SubtitlesOn · 30/04/2018 10:51

I didn't know about his parents but think that makes it rather dodgy but not surprising thing for TM to do

I feel this is like a game of chess..........

And TM has just looked under the table and found another "queen" to deflect/protect her from Windrush scandal. To stop it from being "check mate"

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RedToothBrush · 30/04/2018 10:59

Katie Newbury @KatieNewburyKN
So we have a new Home Secretary Sajid Javid, so shall we have a look at his voting record on immigration issues? 1/
2/ Sajid Javid voted to make it an offence to rent a home to someone without a right to rent, a key part of the #hostileenvironment
3/ Sajid Javid voted against banning immigration detention for those who are pregnant and against guidance to be taken into account on immigration detention of vulnerable people
4/ Sajid Javid voted generally to create #HostileEnviroment by voting to create criminal offences of renting a home,driving, working while disqualified from doing so due to immigration status or in reality, where one does not have evidence to establish their status
5/ Sajid Javid voted to extend the power to deport an individual before considering an appeal on human rights grounds
6/ Sajid Javid voted for another key component of the #HostileEnviroment, additional checks on bank and building society account openings
7/ More generally, Sajid Javid voted in favour of repealing the Human Rights Act 1998, one of the bulwarks against the damage of the #HostileEnviroment and generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
8/ Just as critically, he ALWAYS voted to restrict the scope of legal aid, which has been hugely problematic for people seeking to challenge clearly unlawful Home Office decisions
9/ All this to say, we may have a new Home Secretary but what we need is a new approach. Nothing about Sajid Javid's voting record gives me hope that immigration policy will finally approached in an informed, compassionate and humane way going forward
This should be an opportunity to be better, more on the challenges we face and the opportunity we should be striving for here www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/insights/blogs/immigration-law-blog/will-windrush-help-reset-attitudes-to-immigration END/

BUT BUT BUT!!!

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/28/sajid-javids-windrush-fury-could-have-mum-dad/
Sajid Javid's Windrush fury: 'It could have been me, my mum or my dad'

Obviously all those times he voted he never ONCE thought that it could be him, his Mum or his Dad...

LadyWithLapdog · 30/04/2018 11:41

So this is the best this rotten government of Tories can do.

atthecopacopacabana · 30/04/2018 11:51

Just seen Diane Abbott's jnterview with Piers Morgan on GMTV this morning. Thank fuck she's not Home Secretary.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 30/04/2018 12:31

Make no mistake - this issue is being politicised to the maximum by a Labour Party desperate to share some of the damaging ‘institutional racism’ levelled at them over anti semitism.

The truth is more prosaic - illegal immigration is a bad thing and must be robustly resisted by the state. The wind rush saga is a terrible consequence of that.

But let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water here. Illegal immigrants do not pay tax, they use resource, they do not comply with laws as to do so might bring detection.

Immigration matters to the uk - an out Brexit vote shows that. Illegal immigrants must be pursued.

Procrastinator1 · 30/04/2018 13:00

Heydug So Windrush is OK, just casualties in the fight against illegal immigration? Would you think so if it were you or your parents being deported or prevented from accessing medical treatment?

Brexit will create more financial difficulties for this country than illegal immigration ever can.

WhatLineyDidNext · 30/04/2018 13:03

Brexit is a shitshow that no-one actually voted on.

LaContessaDiPlump · 30/04/2018 13:06

I have always respected Amber Rudd, ever since she stepped up to represent TM in that TV debate a few days after her dad dying. I couldn't imagine doing that in the few days after my mum died. I don't like the party but I thought she was not an utterly shit human being, unlike all the men surrounding her. I am not pleased this has happened.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/04/2018 13:37

It comes to something when people try to write this off as politicising by the opposition party, when they see Windrush as justifiable collateral damage.

Topseyt · 30/04/2018 13:45

Heydug, the Windrush generation were invited to this country to work in its services (such as the NHS) between 1958 and 1973. They worked here and paid their taxes and National Insurance, as have their children for the last fifty years.

They weren't illegal immigrants and the majority have contributed as fully as the rest of us. It is grossly unfair and incorrect to state otherwise.

annandale · 30/04/2018 13:53

Topseyt I think Hey means that legal immigrants like the Windrush group are casualties of a brilliant policy clamping down on illegal immigration. I think that's about the same as saying that it's OK for all employers to become part of a police state because some employ people without papers. Oh! That's happening too.

SergeantPfeffer · 30/04/2018 14:14

It all depends on what the basis for the targets is. If they’re set to actually reflect the expected numbers of illegal immigrants in the uk they might be vaguely justifiable (although the systems in place to detect them are not, IMO). If they’ve been set to reflect ludicrous tory policy that was dreamt up by Cameron to appeal to ukippers then this is the predictable consequence. Poorly set targets will result in people that are clearly not illegal immigrants (eg Windrush) being deported as the home office broadens its net to meet the (erroneous) targets. The fault lies with May and that wimp Cameron.

Targets are not the best way to measure complicated systems.

ajandjjmum · 30/04/2018 14:15

The 'hostile environment' was first referred to by Alan Johnson when Labour were in Government.

Feel that Amber Rudd has carried the can - particularly sorry having read upthread that the email was in the week that her father died. I certainly wouldn't have been absorbing any detail at that point, if I'd read any emails at all!

DrMantisToboggan · 30/04/2018 14:25

It seems she received 2 emails in recent days from the head of Immigration Enforcement telling her, ahead of her evidence to Select Committee, that there were no targets for deportations. Something odd going on here...

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