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I am so sick of all the rubber-necking that has been going on with regard to a recent and tragic news topic.

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Bubble99 · 09/05/2007 21:27

And all under the guise of 'concerned fellow-parent/s'

I met a mother at school today (never spoken to her before) who approached me and said ..'Have you heard about? What do you think about?' and the freak was almost smiling. It's as if this nightmare has become entertainment for some people.

There is a voyeuristic, collective sickness going on , safe under the umbrella of 'concerned parents.'

Yuk.

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foxinsocks · 09/05/2007 21:58

firefly - totally normal

I've not held my children closer or thought any differently about their safety.

I feel sorry for the parents as much as I would for anyone involved in a sad news story and their desperation is tangible but I don't know them or their family so really, it's not my place to feel gutted!

MissGolightly · 09/05/2007 21:58

Quietmouse - I totally disagree. Of course FFF2 can't be devastated. No-one who is not in that situation can lay claim to that word. Can't people see that it is profoundly disrespectful to the family to pretend that they are "sharing" their emotions when they blatantly are not? It's mawkish play-acting.

Tamum · 09/05/2007 21:59

Oh yes, this apparent need people have for placing themselves closer to the drama is very hard to stomach too- my child is blonde, I went to that resort, I have a child that age....It's like saying "it's worse for me than the rest of you". Sigh.

NappiesGalore · 09/05/2007 21:59

senoraP - exactly so! that whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth too - what a load of hypocritical selfindulgent bullshit that was!!! and ever since too, as you say. hourly updates of nothing happening... purlease.
its NOT news. several other hundereds (thousands) of people have been murdered or whatever int hat time in the world... and we are not interested in every detail of every one of those... why? are they not interesting too? or do they not pull the right strings?
sick.

NKF · 09/05/2007 21:59

It's a terrible event and a frightening story. And when people are discussing it, that's really what they're expressing. That's fine. But it's not "grief" or "caring".

glassslipper · 09/05/2007 21:59

I am interested to see how this news story progresses, as with other current affairs. It's actually very interesting on many levels. It has raised issues of censorship, media intrusion, individual vs public grief, personal sentiment, parental responsibilities, international law, reasons behind possible absuctions (won't detail here).

I have no problem with people discussing developments on the case, or with people speculating. I can also understand how the story can affect an individual.

The only thing I question is the sustained affect it appears to be having on some. On both sides as it were. People not sleeping - a bit extreme? People really angry that others are discussing it - also a bit extreme IMO

LadyOfTheFlowers · 09/05/2007 21:59

agree with that missg.
i think that saying you feel the same pain as them is sort of underestimating it in some way.....
i am crap at explaining what i mean!
i know what i mean!

fireflyfairy2 · 09/05/2007 22:00

I said I am not really worried, meaning I am not chewing my fingernails off & satying tuned into News 24. I have a daughter too so I feel sympathy for them surely, but am not beating my chest in anguish.

That is in no way meant heartlessly, I just mean, I don't know them, they don't know me, I do wish for her safe return, of course I do, but it seems a tad hypocritical for me to even suggest I know what they are going through.

quietmouse · 09/05/2007 22:01

no one said they are sharing their emotions, did they?

But if someone feels upset/gutted/devastated whatever then what's it got to do with anyone else?

I can not stand anything bad happening to any child, anywhere, and to see that little girl's face, so beautiful and innocent, is very, very upsetting for me. My dd is a few months younger than her which may make my feelings more intense but I am not going to apologise for caring about a lost little girl.

Budababe · 09/05/2007 22:01

Whilst I agree that some of the details and the threads to discuss developments are a bit over the top or unnecessary, I really do not get this whole crusade against anyone who claims to be affected in any way shape or form. I feel affected by it. However I would not dream of implying that I am in anyway as affected as the family involved.

My almost 6 yr old DS is safely asleep in his bed but I heard him whimpering earlier and went to check on him. Obviously a bad dream and was crying a little bit. So I gave him a cuddle and settled him. I left the room in tears as all I could think of was that little girl who hasn't got her Mummy to make her better. God only knows what she is or has been through. I don't feel that that comment is salacious. I just can't comprehend the sheer terror and helplessness her parents must be feeling.

Some people are more sensitive to news stories than others. Some people deliberately don't watch the news at all as they find it so upsetting. Some people can watch and say "oh that's terrible" and just get on with their day. None of these reactions are wrong. We are all different. We all have different pain tolerances and also different sensitivity tolerances also.

As Thomcat said on one of the threads yesterday - live and let live. If the threads bother you - then don't read them. But please don't denigrate those whose reactions are different to your own.

mommajools · 09/05/2007 22:01

firefly - you are totaly normal
there are other threads where mothers who are going on holiday who are now frightened for their childs safety - perfectly normal
Bubble - i had a friend who was murdered along with her 4 yr old daughter in her flat - Sam and Jazmine - so hese things do strike a cord

Bubble99 · 09/05/2007 22:03

Wotz. People have been outpouring on mnet with

'I haven't felt safe leaving my daughter at nursery.' and 'Should I cancel my holiday to Portugal' stuff.

This whole event has become nothing to do with the family of this child and all to do with themselves.

And you are charitable if you feel that this is people 'dealing with things' beacause in my opinion it has become a way for people to project it onto themselves and not in an empathic way.

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Boco · 09/05/2007 22:03

I agree with this thread, i choose not to read the 'update threads', i find the over emoting uncomfortable generally, not just here.

But i also think that mothers of young children can sometimes be prone to anxiety generally, and something like this totally feeds into that fear - i'm sure lots of people on that thread are having feelings that they don't actually know how to deal with and are using it like a support group.

Generally this grieving for the sake of grief and obsessing as community activity is morbid and unpleasant, but I also get the impression some people may not know how else to handle their own anxiety, and shouting them down won't fix that.

pooka · 09/05/2007 22:04

It's hard to get the right balance though. I have found myself thinking about what has happened, and how unspeakably horrifying for the the family and Madelaine. And I have spoken to other people about it.
I deliberately tried not to read the news stories and I haven't posted on the other threads because... well, I don't know why, just that it's too horrible to contemplate and anything I could say would just feel so lame.
Can't stand the criticism of the parents.
But I do think that it's rather harsh to say that people are seeing this as entertainment and that wanting to hear details is voyeuristic.

Rhubarb · 09/05/2007 22:05

I did Criminology as part of my legal training (yes, I did legal training!) and I read just about every forensic book you can think of, I knew every gruesome detail of every crime and I thought I was immune to personal feelings. But then I did my case study on the Jamie Bulger case and everything changed. I still cannot talk about that case without crying. It had a fundamental effect on me.

Something else that changed me completely was having kids. I can no longer pick up a forensic psychiatry book. I gave them all away. I started to put myself into the victim's shoes, into the parent's shoes.

One of the things that frightens me as a parents are my own fears. I get into a sweat at times imagining horrible things happening to my kids. I feel these paranoid thoughts almost taking over and it gets unbearable.

When a case like Maddy comes along, my imagination goes into overdrive. Actually I was fine until I read about her mother not letting go of the pink cat Maddy used to go to bed with. Then I broke up. I thought about the purple ted that dd has, the white ted that ds has. I imagined the same terrible thing happening to them. In fact I stayed awake most of last night just going over and over it in my head. I could not stop thinking about it, thinking about how scared she must be if she is still alive, thinking how unbearable those thoughts must be for her parents.

But why should it matter to me? She isn't my daughter. I don't know her or her parents. I have never been to the resort where they are. I don't live anywhere near them in the UK. But somehow it does matter. As much as it matters when I read about street children in Brazil and I lie awake crying about how unloved and scared they must feel. Wishing I could pick them all up and mother them all. This from me who doesn't even like kids!

I don't want to read every detail about this case and so I don't. I only want to know if and when they find her.

I pray for her. I prayed for her this morning. I prayed for her last night when I was awake in bed. I don't know why I feel so emotional about it all. People are different and they react to things in different ways. But to say that we shouldn't get emotionally involved is ignorant. Just because one person can switch off and get on with their daily lives and not think about the plight of others does not mean that we all have to do the same.

This is a very long post. I do apologise. I wanted to explain why it has affected me. I don't know if I have done that. But I hope that others understand and can stop dismissing the feelings of others as irrelevant. Empathy is a human emotion and at times I wish I didn't have it. Other times I see it as a gift as it makes me a good listener and counsellor.

I'll shut up now.

ELF1981 · 09/05/2007 22:05

Nobody has a right to tell other people how they should feel or react to things that are going on within the world.
Nobody has a right to tell people they shouldn't think this or that.
It annoys me that people do this, walk a mile in somebodies shoes etc.
The internet and the news on the television makes any story public knowledge and "property" so people will want to read things, and everybody is hoping to read a good headline soon.

I have stopped watching the news because its in our local news as well as I do not live far from the family. I do not want to have to listen to the parents appealing for the safe return of their daughter, not because I am bitchy or dont care but because it upsets me, in the same way that watching charity requests upsets me. Some people are just like that and I find it offensive that people think they can call that freakish.

And yes, I commented that I would not be comfortable leaving my children alone. So what, that's MY opinion and MY child. I never said they were wrong with what they did, parents base their decisions upon the boundaries they feel comfortable at. Just because I said I would not be comfortable leaving my child does not mean I am not 100% praying for a safe return of Maddie.

(Elf prepares for telling off)

FiveFingeredFiend · 09/05/2007 22:06

I'm sick of threads like this proclaiming how sick they are.

Public forum remember.

scotswyf · 09/05/2007 22:06

Well put Sophable. Very little annoys me, but I get so upset at voyeuristic, sensationalist news coverage, especially when it relates to children. I can't watch it, I have to switch it off. I object so much to my emotions being manipulated because it makes a good story. I am as susceptible as the next person, so I switch off and choose to get my news online.
I wanted to say more, but can't type anything more without starting an argumental thread. Just to say thanks for putting how I feel about this so concisely. I can't put it clearly without ranting for pages!

Tamum · 09/05/2007 22:06

Boco, you are right that there's an element of that, and we shouldn't be too harsh (I completely admit to being extremely sad about it), but if you are feeling upset why the need to speculate about ever more horrible possibilities? That's what I just don't get.

Bubble99 · 09/05/2007 22:06

mommajools. A child being abducted in a Potugese holiday resort is not the same as your friend and her child being murdered at home in their flat.

Why do you feel the need to post that? This is not competitive grief.

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snowwonder · 09/05/2007 22:08

fantastic post rhubarb,
excellantly put

Budababe · 09/05/2007 22:08

Great post Rhubarb.

NappiesGalore · 09/05/2007 22:09

i think the media know eaxactly that this story feeds into peoples fears and insecurities. thats what makes it 'news' to them, the fact that it catches peoiple imagination. whereas other equally hideous thinga are happenoing in the wordl and are not deemed to be interesting b/c, well, they have this now, dont they? why would anyone want to be so easily manipulated?

persoanally - i am talking about the media hype, arther than any posts on mn, b/c frankly, i havnt read any! i havnmt even watched or read the news, but the headlines are there and it does seem one of theose stories that gets blanket reporting and THATS what im objecting to. i am judging no-one but the media.

Bubble99 · 09/05/2007 22:09

FFF. There is no mention of names in the thread title. This thread will not show up in a search under the news topic. Public forum and all that.....

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quietmouse · 09/05/2007 22:09

maybe she wanted to post it Bubble99?

are you suddenly in charge of who can post what?