Another shooting in us?

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It's just popped up on my phone but doesn't seem to be showing up on BBC or sky sites.
Is America likely to actually have an investigation into why so many?

Now, there was a story where someone shot a gunman recently. I’ll have to google it. If you compare gun deaths in the UK to those in the US, it real does show that gun control saves lives. Not 100% but a huge difference.

You are more likely to be shot by the would-be Rambo waving a bloody gun than saved by him/her.

It was this one

www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/06/stephen-willeford-johnnie-langendorff-texas-church-shooting

I’m surprised the police praised him as it sounds really dangerous. Plus the gunman killed himself. But, you know, the NRA saves lives. It kills a lot of people too. But maybe saves a life for every 1,000 people killed, so good job there.

'NRA saves lives' how?

In the minds of the gun-toting maniacs it does.

We do similar drills (two so far) in our school in case there is a security issue or other alarm on the sight. It is a particular bell, everything goes into lockdown and students have practised how to crouch and hide, where to go etc. We also now brief them on dealing with a potential terror incident or alarming situation when out on school trips.

I hadn't realised there were so many in just 2018 alone, so appalling and sad. A classroom is one of the most universal and important spaces in the world. Horrible to see the bullet holes in the laptop etc.

" if a father standing outside his children's school straight after another gun massacre doesn't want change, no one will."
True. What a depressing state of affairs.

Blank are you in the UK?

Our old school had it - in London. A particular alarm and the kids had to hide in classrooms and lock the doors.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

I found this video really describes the whole problem that the US has

It sounds like plenty of people had flagged this guy up as a danger. If I'm remember what I read correctly he was expelled for firearms offences!

I wonder how many kids are ‘flagged’ though?

Yes, I am in the UK. I am aware of it happening in other schools.

I think it says he was expelled for aggressive behvaiour and unknown causes, but was also barred from carrying a backpack as he'd brought bullets into school in one.

That's right thanks. Winder why he was allowed on the grounds at all

So at the age of 19, this person is not considered old enough to buy a beer in Florida, but he can easily purchase an AR15 rifle.

I am so sad for the USA and it's children.

I feel sad for the children but increasingly frustrated with the adults especially the pro-gun lobbyists and legislature.

There's another thread running on this topic I was reading through yesterday, a couple of posters American or live in America were defending the obsession with having guns completely failing to see their own contradictory statements/cognitive dissonance/short sightedness.

One is determined to portray the U.K. As more dangerous than USA.

Utterly baffling.

beyond belief, and Trump talks about the shooting without even mentioning guns.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/deeply-saddened/553478/
'A weapon meant for soldiers or perhaps SWAT teams has now been sold by the millions to civilians in the United States, who use it mainly for “personal protection” and “hunting,” but also in most mass killings. “I think the shift you're seeing now is the military-style weapon is here to stay because it's appealing to a whole new generation,” Steve Denny, owner of a gun shop in North Carolina, told John Boyle of the Asheville, North Carolina, Citizen Times back in 2014. “You can see it in the industry,” Denny said, according to Boyle. “The industry had to change from military-style weapons being something that they sold sometimes to them being something that is at the forefront of all their advertising—the tactical use of a firearm.”

It's a nationwide insanity!

this article is also interesting:
edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

I wonder if rates of gun ownership are well past a kind of tipping point in the US such that the right to have a gun is seen as central to personal identity and freedom, any attempt to regulate guns is seen as an attack on personal freedom which makes people feel a greater need to own a gun.

To understand the national psyche here we need to look at what guns represent in the US, of course our gut reaction is 'they are mad' but most of the time people are motivated by emotions not logic.

For once I really don't think this is down to trump.

Trump revoked the law requiring checks on people with mental illness for gun-owning purposes. He has to bear a very large measure of responsibility.

Do the USA not realise what is happening in their country?

The world sees them as uncivilised narcissists with no values.

In years to come we will look back on this period of history and wonder how a country such as that had any power.

Bonnynorton1
But so many Americans still believe that theirs is the "Greatest Nation in the World," so they don't care what the rest of the world thinks about them.

Practicing lock downs in schools is spreading through many different countries. They do it in Scandinavia and Australia as far as I know. So I assume other countries are doing it too. Although it is a response to terrorism rather than suicidal teens.