Christian Priests Rape Yet More Children, and again their church helps them

[DominiConnor]

\link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6594439.stm\Church of England rsponsible for yet more rapes

But it's all right, honest. No doubt the CoE will say "sorry".
Of course Bishop David Wilcox who smugly talks of acting in the "best interests of the church", will walk free. The police won't even interview him, let alone bang him up.

David Wilcox is worse than any paedophile. Rather than annoy his friends, he covers up for rapists.

Would any other group get away with being accomplices ?
In other threads supporters of the CoE smugly talk of child rape as a purely Catholic issue. They know that to be false, and come Sunday will put their hands in their pockets and fund the rape of children.

agree Peachy.

think you've used that joke before Aloha.

Ruty, you say there is no evidence of senior members of cgristian churches working to protect rapists.
How do you explain the way that when one of them is found out for doing this, he is never ever fired ? Never sanctioned in any way, and in the case of the Catholic church promoted all the way to the top ?
If someone worked for you and came in one day saying "I helped a guy who raped children get away with it. But I'm sorry, everyone else was doing it, so I thought it was all right".
Would you :
a) Sack him, then call the police
b) call the police then sack him
c) Beat him round the head with a heavy object, then follow option a) or b

Or as is always the case with the CoE say "Others were doing it, and well we all make mistakes, we didn't know rape was a crime".

Aloha's statement. 'But the fact that the most senior people in the major churches have actively worked to pretect child rapists is slightly worrying.'
i do not agree that most senior people in the Cof E have actively worked to protect child rapists. I think there is a lot of demonizing and over generalizing here being bandied around as fact. I agree with Aloha that the people involved in this case contribute to a sad indictment of the church and that their behaviour is deeply worrying and should be brought to account. Can you see the difference between the two concepts?

'BBC News has learned he admitted the abuse 17 years ago, but left the Church quietly on condition he had no further contact with children.'

the shame.

DC may be a polemicist and may be extreme in his language, but I can't believe that there is much objection to his accusation of utter betrayal of the basic tenets at the heart of the religion and disbelief that congregations are not up in arms and out in protest to clean up a very very dirty past, and I believe present.

you are surely ALL disgusted that the Church...specifically the Church rather than just any other organisation has what seem to be a tacit policy of protection and damage limitation on this issue??? you seem to be rather more concerned that you are being accused of apathy....we're all rather guilty of that aren't we?

the 'you' is a general one btw...directed at those expressing indignation at DC's post on this thread.

one of the reasons i left the church sophable. But maybe i am extremely naive or ignorant, but i am not aware of a widespread organised child rape within the CofE and most senior members actively working to protect the instigators. Please correct me if i'm wrong. However, i do agree totally that the CofE and the Catholic church both seem to have a tacit policy of protection and damage limitation on the issue, and that is totally abhorrent.

i think there is widespread and often organised child rape in most institutions that deal with often underpriviledged children....

and it does seem to be the case, that most congregants adopted a see no evil approach...

oh god. apathy, it is everywhere and it is literally soul destroying if you believe in a soul as I do.

I once worked on a case where a school head failed to report finding child porn on a teachers computer but fired him and he went straight into another school. Also dont lawers help people get away with crimes too?

We all know that sexual abuse was not reported or dealt with in the right way many years ago, and maybe the others thought they were sparing the children the process of reporting it, or maybe they are sick abusers themselves.

I know for fact there is an abuser of children in my church, his been in prison for it and now out. There is nothing the elders can do, other than follow him at all times when his there.

We also know that abusers find jobs that have easy access to children, which means that more abusers are church people, teachers, child care workers ect. they dont walk round with stickers on their heads, and are normally very smart too!
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that has been my point all along tho. that paedophiles find places where they have easy access to vulnerable children. But it is a leap of the imagination to say that most senior members of the church are actively involved in a cover up of a systematic child rape of massive proportions. If one can't point out the fallacy in that logic without being jumped on i think that is a bit ridiculous.

It would be intresting to read the research to back it up, if there was any. Sexual abuse is rarely in the newspaper unless it makes headlines such as priest, teachers or that nasty baby raper last year.
I have worked for SS for 3 and a half years now and all sexual abuse cases i have worked on have been family members, including other children and cant recall a single one in our office for a priest or teacher.

I didn't say most senior members of the curch were involved. I said some of the most senior members - ie Bishops - were involved. VEry different, I think.

Ruty it is not a leap of the imagination to work out that senior members of Churches are involved in cover ups.
They give interviews to the press talking about how they do it, and how it's in the interests of their employers that they do so.
This is not what they said "in ancient history", but *this week" on the radio.
Again I ask, what other organisation would get away with raping kids in the name of making their organisation look good ?

Never see an answer to that, wonder why ?

Also they set policies that mean that those who do the cover ups are stopped from doing it again.
We keep seeing senior churchmen getting caught helping rapists.
We do not see them being fired.
This sends the obvious signal to the staff that cover ups are OK.
Also those who do help rapists are promoted, sending a further signal that it is part of one's job, and if done well is good for your career.

What the second poster said.

The police won't arrest a senior cleric, and even if they did the charges would be dropped "in the public interest".

That's part of why I'm pissed off,and why I hold rank and file Christians responsible

Really? Come on, what utter rubbish. No, wait a moment, you probably do ......

"Also dont lawers help people get away with crimes too?"

er, wtf are you talking about? no, lawyers do NOT help people get away with crimes. criminal lawyers may help defend or prosecute, but all lawyers are officers of the court and if they attempted to cover up offences then they would be subject to charges of professional misconduct.