Creepy Joe Biden touching young girls

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Yuck

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Lets be clear: what’s sickening is the right wingers using the distress of children to gain political points. They’re using possible child molestation for their purposes - not because they care about the children and are campaigning to make any possible molestation stop. They’re not saying “we couldn’t possibly have a sexual predator in office”, because they can’t because Trump.

Trump and his ways have made this modern politics (not to mention all the rest of it). We’re all poorer for it.

What Smith said. Absolutely.

Sorry, I just see a man who is perhaps a bit too touchy-feely with kids.

Then again, I come from Spain, a country where people are very touchy-feely with kids.

I think this is getting ridiculous, frankly. No, a male touching a female (whatever their respective ages) does not necessarily mean rape/incest/abuse/whatever.

I can see some very uncomfortable-looking girls with a man standing behind them bending his head down sniff their necks and hair 🤢
It may be normal in Spain to do this, but in the USA and UK it’s not really, is it?
Whatever his motivation for doing this, he needs to be told to stop if he can’t work that out for himself for some reason.

Again the "touchy feely". You don't need to make a leap from holding someone too close, too long to paedophilia in order to say someone's behaviour is inappropriate. I agree by the way that this recent whipping up a storm in social media is entirely politically motivated and unacceptable. People are arguing different aspects of this.

My niece used to be bothered by her father kissing her because he had a beard and it was "itchy". Does that make him a rapist / abuser? No. And yes, he teases her with that. I understand that teaching children about their bodily autonomy is great, but really, there's a difference between being annoyed and being abused.

And yes, I think that the US and the UK are becoming ridiculously puritanical about sex and bodily matters. But please don't try to impose your standards on the rest of the world.

"You don't need to make a leap from holding someone too close, too long to paedophilia in order to say someone's behaviour is inappropriate".

Please define "inappropriate".

Getting distracted by the politics is partly what gives men immunity. It doesn't matter if it's Trump or if it's Biden. This isn't a zero sum game. It isn't about choosing sides except the side that says we support women and girls against all men who invade their personal space. Fwiw I only read The Guardian article - that was enough. I'm disgusted at the people making excuses for any of these men.

By the way, when it comes to the point that people (particularly men) daren't touch a child AT ALL, EVER, even if the child is in distress, because of a fear of being accused of something sordid, you know that something's gone very wrong as a society.

This is a man who perhaps is touchy towards children in a way that annoys them. He possibly doesn't notice. And yes, he should probably be a bit more careful. But no, it's not the end of the world. And sexualising thus (claiming that he's touching little girls' breasts, ffs) says more about the accusers than about the accused.

It’s not just that he’s touching them, it’s the way he’s doing it. I think it’s obvious from the footage that he’s inappropriate and making the girls uncomfortable, but I accept that others don’t see it that way. I don’t think not sniffing children’s necks is an example of an overly puritanical approach to interacting with kids tbh. He needs to be above reproach and be seen to be such.

I am perfectly prepared to accept that Joe Biden is inappropriate with women and girls. I am not prepared to accept that the people behind this current lot of videos give a fuck about women and girls, because they are Trump supporters. Which makes it a complete impossibility that they do.

Unfortunately, neither the left nor the right seem to give a fuck about women and girls 😔

As Spain has been mentioned, when I was on holiday in Majorca a few years ago, we definitely noticed that the Spanish people were much more tactile with children. One thing that stands out is a waiter at the hotel picking my 2 yr old up and smacking him repeatedly in the bottom. We did say at the time that that would probably not be acceptable in the uk. However, he wasn’t upset by it (although obviously too young to be upset anyway, unless it had hurt him) and I wasn’t upset either. It’s quite different to these videos where the girls don’t look comfortable at all. Cultural differences do matter don’t they?

It doesn't matter what the right-wing's motivation is in bringing this up.If Biden hadn't done it then there wouldn't be something to bring up.
Read The Guardian article - it's about him abusing his position to make a woman uncomfortable but, of course, because it was a female journalist raising it in The Guardian nobody gave a toss.
It shouldn't take men raising it for it to be taken seriously but if it does mean people look at it then I don't give a toss which men are raising it. We should have zero tolerance towards all of them.

"It doesn't matter what the right-wing's motivation is in bringing this up.If Biden hadn't done it then there wouldn't be something to bring up."

Well, yes it does, actually. Very much.

*I really can’t believe that those posters on here who are attempting to minimise this behaviour (many of whom are posters on the feminism board!) I was thinking the same.

It doesn't matter what their motivation is. It's like Lena saying she gives her writer the benefit of the doubt because he was nice to her. When actually she means it fits her bigger agenda (of having a career and earning income). Your bigger agenda is supporting a Democrat. Personally, I'd rather support women. They've been sacrificed too long for 'the greater good' which actually means for 'men's political ambitions'.

What was obvious about the footage is how it was re-edited to zoom in on Biden in every scene. You could zoom in on almost anyone in the public eye that much, and find snippets that were slightly odd.

I didn't think it was at all obvious from the footage that Biden was inappropriate or making the girls uncomfortable. I only care if there's a scandal about Biden because I'm convinced now that the scandal itself is the objective of alt-right people editing the footage like this, and HEAVILY promoting nasty rumours. Has no one else looked at RAM's twitter feed? He's constantly retweeted anyone & everyone to try to gain traffic. People like him want to make everyone else feel cynical, tribal & hateful. RAM doesn't care about detecting a pervert. He didn't take the footage to the police or try to contact the children's parents. He wants to promote his political objectives via social media & the court of public opinion.

I think ‘I think we should be wary of linking to right-wing media who are discussing this’ is fine. ‘WE should not discuss this because the right wing are’ is not fine.

Clearly there is something to be discussed from the video footage, regardless of your politics.

Noblegiraffe puts it very wellI think.

There is a closely related discussion in The Observer today

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/19/bill-clinton-sexual-misconduct-allegations-past

Essentially the issue is that, yes, the right uses sexual misbehaviour by the left as a political point and only as that - Alex Jones when he encourages people to say 'Bill Clinton is a rapist', doesn't care about rape victims.

However that they are able to do so is only because the left has consistently thrown women under the bus to protect powerful men.

I’m as lefty as they come but Jesus, those clips ARE creepy and he seems to have no respect for someone’s personal space.

Ffs why do people refuse to see what is right in front of them just because it doesn't sit with their political views or because they like the person? It's not a conspiracy, the evidence is there for all to see. The videos are not fabricated are they?

I like Biden too but those clips clearly show a man with no respect for the personal space of women and girls and a man behaving in an inappropriate manner. That doesn't mean that trump is any less of a creep. It's not either/or. The deflection on this thread is very disturbing. No one, especially a man in a position of power such as Joe Biden , should be given a free pass to behave that way.

'Eyes painted on'

As my husband would say..