Diana documentary - do you want Charles and Camilla as king and queen?

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I have always been a monarchist :) but the behaviour of Charles and Camilla towards Diana was a disgrace and I really think if he gets the top job, he will make Camilla a Queen. Now there are reports of the Queen retiring and William and Harry's staff being fired so Charles can spin/take over. Do they never learn? Charles will make a lot of people become republicans, skip him and the monarchy is safe.
What do you think?

Not completely dodgy but dodgy and untrustworthy enough to have a mistress throughout his marriage. Lots of women would say that was pretty unforgivable.

Having a mistress is par for the course if you're Prince of Wales and while I don't condone either his or Diana's behaviour during their marriage (she also cheated on him, for all the Saint Diana fans), it's hardly surprising when until this generation the heir presumptive was TOLD who he could and couldn't marry. Charles is spineless and out of touch, I agree, but if he'd been allowed to choose his own bride none of this mess would've happened. Instead, the Queen Mother and Prince Philip pushed him into marrying Diana, who was catastrophically unsuited to the role she was chosen for - and the rest is (mercifully) history.

They werent the only people in the world with a failed marriage.

What a fuss! Move on.

Yes I hope Charles becomes King with Camilla as his whatever she will be called?

She should be Queen Camilla. Like the Queen Mother was Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary was Queen Mary, etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_consorts

I like Camilla. I think she and Charles ate good together. I think she's good for him they seem happy and are often pictured laughing together. I reckon shed be great fun at a night out

I can't stand all the 'Poor Diana stuff were getting now. She was manipulative and knew exactly what she was doing. I wonder if shed still get the same hero worship if she was still alive today

she will be princess consort according to wiki

oh and has already mentioned above, apologies ph

It should never be par for the course in modern times and it is not acceptable or excusable. He did what he could get away with. If he had not been spineless, he could have made a better job of choosing a wife instead of keeping her as a mistress. He had Camilla all the way through the marriage so Diana was in a severely compromised position. It is not obligatory for the Prince of Wales to be a cheat. The next one won't be. At least he has learnt to stand up for what he believes in instead of being pushed around by granny and her match-making mates. It was a total shambles from day 1. Anyone who lived through the wedding of Charles and Diana could see he was marrying the equivalent of a love-struck puppy. What sort of grown man does that?

The story about the toothpaste is not quite a myth, but close to it. It only happened when Charles had broken his arm.

I am indifferent towards the monarchy and not interested in discussing Diana but I loathe Charles. He was happy to go into a Church and marry someone when in love with someone else, lying in front of his family, the world and God. I am an atheist but remember that the British monarch is the head of the church. He has no moral authority for that.

If he really loved Camilla so much he could have resigned / abdicated and marry a banana tree if he so wished . Lord knows kings have abdicated for love before! No, he wants it both ways - the privileges of being a royal and the freedom of a commoner. And Camilla is more than happy to enjoy the perks, isn't she?

Bet he can't wait to have his mug on biodegradable bank notes and organic coins.

I like Camilla but I don't think there was any big plan to keep them apart. I was reading the serialisation of her biography in the DM (alright, alright) and she seems to have liked Charles but he was one of a few and she was dead keen on Parker Bowles who was a proper challenge. In fact I think it was as mentioned that one of the attractions re. Charles was that it was as rumoured that Parker Bowles was doing a line with Princess Anne and Camilla saw going with PC would be an ideal way to stick two fingers up at her on/off boyfriend. They eventually got married and then it was only after several years of being the cuckholded wife she went back to dependable Charles. It all seemed v one sided tbh, not the big love story everyone paints it as.

She seems like a laugh. Tbh I'd rather have Queen Camilla and keep Prince Charles as he is.

Camilla should definitely be Queen, she's really proved herself over the last 10+ years. Lots of charity work, seems very grounded, clearly a fantastic support for Charles. Yes they shouldn't have had an affair but hey, British heirs to the throne have done MUCH worse.

I really like camilla and feel desperately sorry for her and Charles that they were prevented from marrying in the first place! I'd much rather have camilla than Diana at our kings side. And as for William never having an affair? How on earth do you know? I found the whole doe eyed looking up from under eyelids really false and manipulative. I think she was a very naive young girl flattered by all the attention and imagined living in a fairy tale and was pissed off when the reality hit her. Surely she did a bit of due dillegence on her htb esp as she only met him 13 times!

Obviously I don't know but I feel he is genuine and has learnt from the mistakes of his parents.

I think it was quite wrong to manipulate Diana. She was 19. Just imagine a DD of yours taking this on at 19. Two powerful families making the running on who you should love and marry. We condemn this in some societies but thought it was a fairytale in our society. I am not surprised Diana had problems. She was isolated and alone.

All royals do charity work. Camilla is no different. She seems ok and putting up with Charles she must have something going for her. I don't care if she's queen or princess consort. She always would have been the mature choice, but Charles ducked it.

Margaret could have married her true love but she wanted to be a Princess more. She's hardly a tragic heroine except by proving how ruinous flattery and unearned riches are.

Bit harsh. She was asked to choose between her family and a gamble on love which might have failed and seen her isolated. Not an easy choice.

I remember reading an interview with the wife of one of the men Diana went after. She said that Diana used to turn up at their house unannounced, and she would just sit there completely silent if the wife was in the room, only to burst into animated conversation as soon as she left. I never felt that she was really in a position to claim the moral high ground.

One of the reasons Princess Margaret gave for not marrying Peter Townsend was that he was a divorced man whose wife was still alive, and it would go against the teachings of the church.
She was known to be very devout at that time, and that was probably a strong factor in her decision.

That is not true about Princess Margaret, if you watched the Crown, their relationship was absolutely frowned upon, and also came close to the abdication so two throwing away the royal life in such a short space of time was not approved.

What juneau said.

Personally, I feel Charles has suffered enough. As did Diana, in a way. They were put in an impossible situation together and it got very toxic.

Whatever happens, we won't get a phone vote on who should be next on the throne, so who we "want" is moot.

Norma that's what she said in her statement. I was a teenager at the time, and remember hearing the announcement on the wireless.

Much as I loathe Charles for his petulance, entitlement and utter hypocrisy, I'll appreciate him being King in the hope that he'll deal a massive - or even fatal - blow to the whole concept of monarchy

Which would suit me just fine

Ceto- that doesn't surprise me.

The worst thing about Diana imo is that she developed the public image of 'queen in people's hearts; I'm here to comfort the marginalised because I understand what it's like to suffer' .... but conveniently overlooked the fact that she slept with married men.

If she was as distraught about Charles carrying on with camilla as she made out to be, surely she would have had some idea of what she was doing to the wives of the men she had affairs with?

I get that the fairytale had gone sour, she was living with a man who didn't love her and the sex was shit, but fgs she could at least have picked unattached men for all her flings.

Total hypocrite... she wanted to present the innocent wide eyed little girl act while hitting on unavailable men (will Carling fairly newly married even) And yes i know it takes two and the men were equally to blame, but that doesn't let her off the hook

Charles and Camilla look very happy together and I think he will make an excellent King when the time comes.

What happened with Diana was unfortunate, but no more so than the 100's of marriages which fail in this country every year. I don't buy the 'poor downtrodden Diana' line. She was very manipulative and went into the marriage with her eyes open. She naively thought she could make Charles love her once they were married. Personally I don't believe she was head over heels with him either.

I suspect she was infatuated with him and the whole idea of marrying the future king- which I agree is very different to genuinely loving someone.

There's another thread in chat about this program, which highlights how much Diana as a member of the aristocracy had mixed with the royals from birth. She was well used to socialising with royalty and the various hangers on. She would have had far more of an idea of how they functioned than your average commoner

She played the naive innocent little me card when the novelty of it all wore off and things got tough. I find it quite revolting and demeaning tbh. There was definitely no sisterhood with Diana, as evidenced by the fact she chased and slept with married men