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CremeFresh · 27/07/2017 20:49

Don't know if anyone else has started a new thread .

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RMC123 · 30/07/2017 10:42

Ellie56 Agree wholeheartedly with that paragraph.
As a family we decided last night to set up a direct debit to GOSH. This is something positive we felt we could achieve to try and help other families in this situation.

Ellie56 · 30/07/2017 10:43

It would be appalling if that money was spent on trying to change the law that protected him.

Teddy1970 · 30/07/2017 10:46

The comments from the DM readers throughout this sad case have been quite measured and thoughtful...not what I expected actually.

AccrualIntentions · 30/07/2017 10:49

It's my understanding that donations are made at the donor's own risk on these sites without any policing of what the money is actually used for, so long as it's legal. I don't donate in this way because it could end up being used for something different.

E.g. the baby Dax case a couple of years ago, I don't know if there was ever any conclusion to that.

GabsAlot · 30/07/2017 10:51

i could b wrong but i thought th US were one of a few countries not to sign up to childrns rights act

JaneEyre70 · 30/07/2017 10:54

Thanks for the article link. Very well reasoned, and a crying shame that a lot of people chose to jump on a bandwagon with no idea where it was heading and what for Sad.

Ceto · 30/07/2017 10:54

The Reaction article says the US law is the same with regard to the child's rights as the UK's. I just wondered if that's correct (as so many US commenters on SM seem convinced it isn't), and, if it is, if it's a country-wide law or whether it differs between states.

Sostenueto · 30/07/2017 10:56

It seems the parents grudge against gosh not giving the treatment,which we all know wasn't a valid treatment, is at the root of this continued battle about parents rights.

Sostenueto · 30/07/2017 10:59

I am glad that the children's act is in place, I do not want to see it changed in any way. The fact is if Charlie passed as quickly as was said upthread was proof that gosh and the courts were right. Charlie's condition did not support life.

BubblesBuddy · 30/07/2017 11:04

I think that if you publicly fund raise and then actively ask for the court cases to be public, then it is hardly surprising that the horror of all of this is played out in public. Regarding exchange of medical evidence in court, how else can an a judge reach a decision? It must be a full and frank discussion of the medical info. It is perfectly clear most cases do not get this amount of publicity and are private. The parents in this case believed their views were paramount at every stage and could not, still apparently cannot, see that their child had rights. I dearly hope that there will be no amendment to any law protecting children in our courts.

I do not believe they didn't understand the medical position, they just thought "fighting" would bring about a different outcome so could not agree to mediation. The judge allowed a lot of leeway for this to happen but it never did. Perhaps other parents will be able to mediate so few cases ever go this far because there are no winners.

GabsAlot · 30/07/2017 11:06

thanks cetod idnt know that th e way they go on you woudl think parents had ultimate rights

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kesstrel · 30/07/2017 11:15

Just read this beautiful, moving piece

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/30/thank-you-doctors-and-nurses-who-cared-for-our-daughter

Edsheeranalbumparty · 30/07/2017 11:16

Wow, lots.of competitive grieving on the CA page - 'you mean so much to me Charlie' 'i miss you so much' etc from people I assume never met him.

I feel sorry for these people really. How empty must their lIves be?

Ellie56 · 30/07/2017 11:22

kesstrel a great shame it could not have been the same for Charlie and his parents.

ChattyLion · 30/07/2017 11:25

Ellie56 I agree with what you have posted while feeling great sympathy for CY and CG and for everyone who was close to Charlie including the staff at GOSH who have been maligned. The facts of this family's bereavement are sadly not unusual. There are many progressive conditions with no cure and which will end lives, despite the best care we can provide.

Of course all of these bereavements are untimely and devastating for those affected- but that doesn't automatically mean that someone must have been at fault or someone must pay for their mistake or the that the system was somehow rigged.

I was worried seeing that Telegraph article linked to upthread that CY and CG will campaign 'to change' the medical and legal systems.

What does that 'change' mean? Those frameworks did the right things and they protected the right person (the child) in this case, while being equally open to other new evidence for a reasonable amount of time. I hope it worked the same way in all comparable cases.

CY and CG have built such a huge platform now to do good- there is so much they could do in Charlie's memory- imagine if they got behind highlighting more funding for mito research or providing peer support for other bereaved parents, or funding and volunteering for hospice or hospital charities, to name a few.

But the nonspecific reporting about the type of 'change' that CY and CG will be campaigning for, is concerning given the sheer volume of misreporting there has been in the media about Charlie's case. A lot of posters have mentioned how hard it is to find a balanced informed report about this case.

GabsAlot · 30/07/2017 11:26

kesstrel what a lovly piece from the father bless them

GriefLeavesItsMark · 30/07/2017 11:28

I wish the family peace, but it will be the law of diminishing returns from now on, I would guess Charlie's Army are diminishing as I type. Probably looking for something else to be discusted by.

CA Facebook has someone showing their tattoo for Charlie. I can imagine the conversation in five years time when someone asks about it.

Edsheeranalbumparty · 30/07/2017 11:30

Oh that is such a beautiful article Kestrel

GabsAlot · 30/07/2017 11:32

id be deeply disappointd if they use that money for some law change

we dont need it-childs needs come first and im glad it does- can u imagine peopl like karen matthews and baby p's mum havng more say over their kids that would be shocking

GabsAlot · 30/07/2017 11:46

is anyone having problems reading the comments on gosh fb page theyre not loading for me

Ellie56 · 30/07/2017 11:48

Gabs I couldn't see them yesterday. I thought they'd been taken off or disabled in some way which would not be surprising.

Starlight2345 · 30/07/2017 11:54

Kesstrel...Very moving .. I think if my Dc was not long for this world, I would hope I could embrace it this way.

Edsheeranalbumparty · 30/07/2017 11:57

The GOSH comments haven't been loading for a few days. I think they might have an admin who is deleting/hiding all comments as they come in, but then I don't know why they don't just turn off the comments?

whereismyparachute · 30/07/2017 11:59

Yes I think deleted as they come in, a couple of abusive ones and angry emoticons posted last night (as a comment).
I can't view them this morning.

How draining for them and a waste of energy and time to have to sit and do that all day/night.

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