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cjt110 · 24/07/2017 12:59

This is a thread following the legal and ethical questions raised by the recent court case involving Charlie Gard.

Please could we refrain from insulting or otherwise "bashing" his parents. It isn't in the spirit of Mumsnet and will get the threads removed.

Please could we also remember that at the heart of this case is a terminally ill baby and his heartbroken parents. There are those participating in and watching this thread for whom these issues are painful. Please let's try and be mindful of them when we post. This isn't a place for name calling or trivialising the very real pain they feel. Many parents of severely disabled children are on here.

Lastly, here are some hopefully useful reference points of facts surrounding the case.

13 July GOSH position statement on latest hearing (includes update on Charlie's condition):
www.gosh.nhs.uk/file/23611/download?token=aTPZchww

7 July GOSH statement on Charlie:
www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/latest-statement-charlie-gard

June 2017 Supreme Court decision:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6rPmvGlNhA&app=desktop

May 2017 Court of Appeal Decision:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2017/410.html

April 2017 High Court Decision:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2017/972.html

GOSH FAQ page on Charlie:
www.gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

Timeline so far

August 4, 2016 Charlie born 8lb 3oz to Connie Yates and Chris Gard.

October 2016 Tests reveal mitochondrial depletion syndrome.
Believed to be only 16th sufferer in the world of rare strain.

Autumn 2016 Miss Yates finds specialist in US testing nucleoside therapy, but it has never been tried on Charlie’s rare type.

January Gosh doctors say drug would be futile because of irreversible brain damage. Parents contact US doctor.

March Gosh asks High Court to let Charlie die. Mr Justice Francis gives parents a month to make case for treatment. Daily Mail readers help raise £197,000 in days to help fly Charlie to US.

April Doctors say he is likely to be in pain. Judge rules Gosh should let him die.

May Court of Appeal upholds ruling. Parents appeal to Supreme Court.

June Supreme Court rejects appeal. On June 27, European judges back decision. Gosh gives parents more time with Charlie. Pope Francis intervenes, followed by Donald Trump on July 3.

July 7 Seven scientists hand Gosh fresh evidence showing higher survival chances.

July 10 Mr Justice Francis gives parents 48 hours to produce new evidence in case.

July 13 US specialist Dr Michio Hirano invited to London by High Court

July 17 Dr Hirano examines Charlie.

July 21 Court told scan results ‘very sad’.

Today, 24 July, High Court due to rule on the case, ten days before Charlie’s birthday.

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BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 14:25

Live on sky news now. Bbc are still in Kabul

Yamayo · 24/07/2017 14:25

I hope they find peace and get some calm time with Charlie...
It's for the best but I am so sad for them. Their beautiful boy...

jellypi3 · 24/07/2017 14:25

i have tears in my eyes. those poor parents. whatever was on the latest MRI report must have been truly devastating.

TheNoodlesIncident · 24/07/2017 14:25

How brave they are, the parents Sad

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 24/07/2017 14:25

and another here saying thank God. I don't say it very often either.
Very brave of C&C given the circus around them.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 24/07/2017 14:25

These poor brave souls. Please can everyone unit behind them and send them strength and courage and hope

TheFairyCaravan · 24/07/2017 14:25

I have too Gabs.

I admire C&C in a way. That's such a brave thing to do especially with all those harpies in CA.

SomeDyke · 24/07/2017 14:26

Thank god! For all of them.

Sluttybartfast · 24/07/2017 14:26

Poor Chris and Connie. I really do feel for them. They have been misguided, in every sense of the word, but I genuinely hope they will be able to find some measure of peace.

I also think Mr Justice Francis has handled this case with courage, compassion and wisdom. Against all the odds he has helped it come to a peaceful and joint resolution.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/07/2017 14:26

Dear God, thank you for this ... may little Charlie soon be safe in your arms and may his parents be supported in somehow finding peace

cjt110 · 24/07/2017 14:26

@skyrobcatherall

Parents ask for proceedings to be dropped, says Mr Armstrong. "Time has run out for Charlie", says Mr Armstrong

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MirandaWest · 24/07/2017 14:26

I really really hope they have support now.

Allington · 24/07/2017 14:26

Thank goodness. Hope everyone involved finds peace.

BlueThursday · 24/07/2017 14:26

The poor poor things I'm in tears myself and don't even know them

JaneEyre70 · 24/07/2017 14:26

Thank god. I am beyond relieved for Charlie, and beyond heartbroken for his parents. There was never going to be a winner here Flowers

teaandbiscuitsforme · 24/07/2017 14:26

Me too gabs.

EB123 · 24/07/2017 14:26

Those protesters need to be removed. So inappropriate.

QuizteamBleakley · 24/07/2017 14:26

Ah, bless them. Think I'll leave this thread now, think of the wee Charlie & hope that his parents find some peace.
Thanks all for the informative & balanced viewpoints.

Vevvie · 24/07/2017 14:26

Poor parents. Charlie will get his peace now.

No words for those dancing and singing outside!

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 24/07/2017 14:26

Those brave, brave, brave parents Flowers :(

Maryz · 24/07/2017 14:26

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oakleaffy · 24/07/2017 14:26

Parents ask for case to be dropped???? Oh Brave decision, bless them.

annandale · 24/07/2017 14:26

Having reached this dreadful stage, from where things were on Sunday, this is the only possible good outcome.

Poor,poor family.

cjt110 · 24/07/2017 14:27

@skyrobcatherall
Chris Gard and Connie Yates sit behind Mr Armstrong looking dazed, distraught. Usher passes up box of tissues

@JoshuaRozenberg
Armstrong speaks with a catch in his voice. Courtroom silent as everyone feels for the parents. Supporters and family look pale and shocked.

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SocksBoatsAndQats · 24/07/2017 14:27

Oh those poor parents, I hope they find peace now. They've been through hell, my heart breaks for them.