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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 24/04/2019 17:22

www.24housing.co.uk/news/grenfell-survivors-attack-incompetent-ministers/?fbclid=IwAR1NUl7cbzgVhu7zcrEdW4EdQoBwyDs4oQsOe_fDh1wEz8_crWVW_FSvz-s

"Grenfell survivors attack ‘incompetent’ ministers

After two years of meetings with the government over safety reform, Grenfell United (GU) have been met with “little action”.

Grenfell United, the towers survivors group has publicly called out the Prime Minister and “indifferent and incompetent” ministers over a lack of action over building safety and social housing reform.

As reported by the group, which represents around 95% of survivors and bereaved, 22 months’ worth of private meetings with the PM and housing ministers to try to influence policy has been met with “too little action.”

The group is said to currently be planning a campaign to rally people across the county behind its demands for safe homes and for tenants to be treated with respect.

Formed five days after the fire, the survivors saw some success when ministers banned combustible aluminium combustible material (ACM) cladding on new high rises and pledged to invest around £400m on social sector towers.

However, the group has reported that no money has been allocated for the private sector towers affected and so far, only 89 of the 226 high-rise residential buildings with ACM cladding have been made safe.

Edward Daffarn, 56, a founding member of the group, and Natasha Elcock, 42, its chairwoman, said they now had no confidence that the Prime Minister would keep her promise to bring lasting reform to social housing.

Mr Daffarn added: “It has taken us 22 months to understand that if we carry on in a dignified and kind way we may never get the change that we need.

“It feels like it’s always us having to seek meetings with them, we never get any feedback.

“The government action can best be summed as indifferent and incompetent. We organised a meeting with the government seven weeks ago to propose a new model of housing regulator but since then, we have had no contact from Kit Malthouse, the housing minister.”

According to GU, the government has yet to publish a “promised” white paper on social housing reform, with a decision still not made to help the local community decide on the future of the Grenfell site.

“We will continue to work with Grenfell United and others to ensure that social homes are safe, issues are resolved quickly and residents’ voices are heard,” a government spokesman added"

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HelenaDove · 02/05/2019 22:01

You really couldnt make it up.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/02/anger-grenfell-boss-invited-speak-housing-safety-event

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HelenaDove · 03/05/2019 02:03

www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/merle-court-evictions-1-6029978?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

"Defects in South Kilburn block results in all occupiers forced to move home

All occupiers of a housing block in South Kilburn will be forced to move out due to “defects” with the building.

Merle Court, a development owned by Catalyst Housing, was built by Willmott Dixon in 2012 as part of the much lauded South Kilburn regeneration project.

Of the 50 occupiers, eight own and rent their homes as part of a shared ownership deal and 42 are social tenants.

They attended a meeting on Tuesday after this paper had gone to press.

The building is clad in aluminium composite material (ACM), similar to the material used to cover Grenfell Tower. In the wake of the fire there in 2017, the Merle Court cladding was deemed safe.

But last year government regulations changed and now the cladding needs to be replaced and other defects dealt with. Catalyst would not say what these were.

Writing to residents, the housing association said: “We knew there were other faults within the external walls that required attention, but this new guidance has significantly increased the amount of work needed to Merle Court.

All of the brickwork as well as the cladding will be removed and replaced to enable Catalyst to “rectify defects, replace insulation and undertake other works to the block”. It is expected to take two years.

Some tenants will be offered another Catalyst property while others will have to bid on the council's Locata system.

Catalyst will buy back shared ownership flats at “current market value” but pricing structures where occupiers pay a mortgage and pay rent may impact leaseholders.

Kilburn councillor Abdi Abdirazak said: “We are very concerned about the situation. We are waiting to see whether the relocation and compensation packages meet and fulfil the needs of the leaseholders and tenants.”

He added: “We need to understand why Catalyst hasn't moved on this, particularly as the problem with cladding has been known for some time.”

Pete Firmin, chair of Alpha, Gorfield and Canterbury Residents' Association, added: “There's a big issue about the quality of what's being built in South Kilburn and Brent needs to look at that.”

A Catalyst spokesperson said households would be spoken to individually. “Catalyst is determined to do the right thing, to provide support to everyone in Merle Court during the rehousing process, and ensure residents' rights are protected and no one is left out of pocket as a result of the works.”

There was no comment on why the company did not act earlier.

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HelenaDove · 18/05/2019 01:20

Seraphima Kennedy
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Seraphima Kennedy Retweeted Seraphima Kennedy

"This will be very distressing for bereaved, survivors and the whole community.

The original Phase 1 report was promised in spring 2018. Then 'in spring' 2019, in Easter, and now October 2019.

Phase 2 is expected to take 2 years"

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HelenaDove · 19/05/2019 18:34

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/housing-association-linked-grenfell-tower-16165571

Housing association linked to Grenfell Tower left tenant without light for WEEKS

EXCLUSIVE: London-based Notting Hill Genesis didn't repair one tenant's rotten window for six months and still collected rent from one tenant for five years after he died

A housing association that was slammed for failing to fix a fire door in Grenfell Tower has been accused by tenants of making their lives a misery.

Notting Hill Genesis is riddled with ­incompetence, they say.

One 86-year-old resident was left without lights for eight weeks. Another waited six months for a boarded-up window to be replaced.

The giant London-based group even collected rent totalling £41,504 from one man for five years after he died.

They claimed the bank refused to cancel the standing order without a death certificate which they were ­“unable to obtain”

In another instance NHG collected £26,416 after a tenant had moved out.

It has received almost £7million in overpayments yet to be paid back.

Local MP Emma Dent Coad said: “Overpayments have been noted and brought to their attention and they have failed to repay and apologise. I find that shocking. They have not stepped up.”

The Labour MP warned it was only a matter of time before someone died because of delays in vital repair work.

She claimed NHG warned one tenant not to contact MPs if they wanted repairs done.

Mrs Dent Coad said: “They have a casual attitude to the way they are destroying people’s lives. There is a culture of disdain and bullying from many housing associations at the moment but particularly from Notting Hill Genesis.

“There is a culture of seeing tenants as the little people. They would never see them as serving the tenants who pay their wages.

NHG was criticised at the public inquiry into the 2017 Grenfell fire that killed 72 people for failing to fix a fire door. Police tests found that the 100 fire doors resisted flames for 15 minutes, half the time required by building regulations.

The Sunday People spoke to tenants who ­accused NHG, a registered charity, of being slow to carry out repairs.

In the shadow of Grenfell, Patricia Bishop, 50, a school caterer, spent almost eight weeks over Christmas with no mains lights after a leak in an upstairs flat shorted the electrics.

She said the leak was not fixed for two years.

Ms Bishop, who is the sole carer for her father Julius, 86, said: “My father couldn’t see to wash himself or clean himself after he’d been in the toilet.”

She added: “When our upstairs neighbour has a bath, her used water runs into my bathroom. One time I was in the bath and had to jump out because all this dirty water ran down on top of me.

“I now have a system with the lady above us, where she tells me when she is having a bath and I keep out of my bathroom.”

Molly Ayton, 65, an NHG ­tenant in Maida Vale, said that when her window became rotten it was boarded up for six months without a replacement

On another occasion, fist-sized lumps or mortar fell down from a flat above on to her path.

She said: “No Notting Hill Genesis properties around here have had cyclical repairs for 24 years. They look shabby and dirty from the outside.”

NHG, which looks after 64,000 homes, apologised for delayed ­repairs and said the leak affecting Ms Bishop had been fixed.

It has denied refusing to fix properties of tenants who complained to MPs.

A spokesman said: “We respect completely their right to seek help from an MP or councillor.”

Last year it emerged NHG overcharged ­residents at flats in Maida Vale by more than £85,000 for cleaning bills.

They have repaid the cash after admitting they charged for five days a week cleaning when there had only been one clean per week.

NHG, which received £800million of public money in the last ten years, said housing ­benefit overpayments were always paid back to ­councils.

The group states that its mission is to “house London’s working poor, providing them with a home in which to build themselves and their families a secure future”

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HelenaDove · 22/05/2019 00:56

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ministers-failed-learn-grenfell-after-16177676

Ministers 'failed to learn from Grenfell' after fire service 'lottery' revealed

Some stretched fire services can only send two engines to a high-rise fire

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HelenaDove · 26/05/2019 16:36

camdennewjournal.com/article/chalcots-residents-fear-more-work-on-crisis-hit-estate-will-take-toll-on-their-health

Chalcots residents fear more work on crisis-hit estate will take toll on their health

Invasive programme of work for tower blocks

HUNDREDS of residents have been told their walls are to be knocked down during a disruptive and invasive programme of works on the crisis-hit Chalcots estate

Mock-ups of new windows and cladding panels due to be installed in the five blocks in Adelaide Road by June 2021 were put on display at the Swiss Cottage Library on Tuesday. Construction workers are expected to go into each of the 800 flats for several days at a time while walls are knocked down, new radiators fitted and electrics rerouted.

The council has told residents they will start entering flats from June 1 to assess their needs and make inspections

Several residents, who were evacuated during unprecedented scenes in 2017 after a fire safety inspection in the wake of the Grenfell disaster in 2017, say the prospect of more disruption is making them anxious and depressed.

Debbie Cooke, who lives in Taplow, said: “My biggest problem is the serious disruption – how long it’s going to be, and how it’s going to make me feel? I don’t know I can put up with this work, I really don’t. I have an issue with mess. I suffer spinal problems, depression.”

She added: “I believe they are going to be coming four to five foot into the flat, and putting up sheeting. This is absolutely disgusting, it is absolutely outrageous how they want us to live. When they came in with the fire-stopping, it made me quite ill. I like my flat. If they couldn’t do the fire-stopping right, how are they going to get such a big thing like this right?”

Residents said they had not received answers to questions about whether they will be compensated for new flooring, wallpaper and curtains. There are also questions about whether the current windows in the estate are in breach of building regulations.

The council says they must put new windows in with lowered sills because of safety concerns, warning that small children could topple out of the windows as they are. But this means radiators and wiring have to be moved and entire walls need to be replaced

The low sill design is a blend of two options consulted on earlier this year by Camden Council.

It is different to the design residents of the five blocks in Adelaide Road said they voted for in their own survey. Belsize ward Lib Dem Councillor Tom Simon has said the design is “the wrong decision made on faulty reasoning”, adding: “The way it has been made is an act of extremely bad faith with the residents of the Chalcots, who will now face further major upheavals to their lives because of this change, which they have never even been asked about.”

The council boards at the library said scaffolding would start going up in September, and works are due to come to an end in the five blocks by June 2021. Questions from residents were left on Post-it notes were on a board fixed to the wall. One said: “I’ve been here for 20 minutes and no one has spoken to me.” Another added: “My friend left three questions on the board. Why are they not here?”

Councillor Meric Apak, cabinet member for better homes, said: “We appreciate that Chalcots residents have experienced a lot of building works in the last few years and the disruption that comes with this. We will work with residents closely to minimise the impact of future works as much as possible.”

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HelenaDove · 26/05/2019 20:09

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005fgl

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HelenaDove · 26/05/2019 20:27

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48387380

Fire safety experts warn many of the 1,700 buildings identified as "at risk" in England are likely to fail new tests into cladding and building materials.

Hospitals, schools, nursing homes and tower blocks are among buildings which could be under threat, BBC 5 live Investigates has learned.

The government said it will monitor the test results this summer to decide if any immediate action needs to be taken.

It comes almost two years after 72 people died in the Grenfell Tower fire.

A public inquiry into the fire, which happened in west London in June 2017. heard evidence to support the theory that the highly combustible material in the cladding was the primary cause of the fire's spread.

It took minutes for the fire to race up the exterior of the building, and spread to all four sides.

The government has set up a fund to remove cladding from buildings identified with aluminium composite material (ACM) - the same type used on Grenfell Tower. The new tests, which began last month, are testing other types of cladding and building materials

One type of cladding, known as High Pressure Laminate (HPL) is believed to be of particular concern. The research group Building Research Establishment said that none of the cladding systems that had passed a standard BS 8414 safety test included an HPL.

Another study, released in the Journal of Hazardous Materials, found that HPL cladding materials released heat 25 times faster and released 115 times more heat than non-combustible products.

The government says that it recognises concerns about HPL and included them in the new fire safety tests.

Chartered engineer Dr Jonathan Evans was part of the team testing cladding for the government after the Grenfell Tower fire.

He said some of the tests were almost certain to fail and is calling for transparency around the results of the tests when they are released.

In December, the government introduced new fire safety regulations in response to Dame Judith Hackitt's independent review following the Grenfell Tower fire.

The regulations banned combustible materials from the external walls of new buildings over 59 feet tall.

There have since been calls from Clive Betts, the chairman of the Housing, Communities and Local Government Committee (HCLG), for these regulations to be applied to all new buildings, regardless of height.

He added that materials deemed too dangerous for new buildings should not be permitted for existing ones.

A spokesperson for the government's Ministry of Housing, which ordered the tests, said: "We issued an advice notice on non-ACM cladding systems, reiterating the clearest way to ensure fire safety is to remove unsafe materials."

To find out more listen to 5 Live Investigates on Sunday at 11:00 GMT or afterwards on BBC Sounds.

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HelenaDove · 08/06/2019 01:15

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/07/grenfell-fire-interviews-criminal-caution?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

"Grenfell fire: police have carried out 13 interviews under criminal caution

Potential offences range from manslaughter to health and safety breaches

The Metropolitan police say they have carried out 13 interviews under criminal caution as part of their investigation into the Grenfell fire.

The potential criminal offences police are investigating range from the most serious, manslaughter, through to health and safety offences.

The new figure of interviews carried out under caution shows the criminal inquiry is progressing, albeit painfully slowly for the survivors and bereaved families.

The disaster at the west London tower block, which claimed 72 lives, shocked Britain and its second anniversary falls next week.

The Guardian understands that some of those questioned were interviewed as representatives of their organisation, and some as individuals.
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Detectives have carried out two new interviews under caution since March, as they work their way through hundreds of thousands of documents and a phalanx of contractors and subcontractors at Grenfell whose work they are examining to see what part it played in the blaze and its devastating spread.

There have been no arrests and the Met has said that a decision on whether charges will be brought could be at least two years away.

They believe they need to wait for the second phase of the public inquiry to be completed. Thus, they would not submit files to prosecutors to consider charges until the second half of 2021. After that lawyers at the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) would need additional time to consider the evidence, which is expected to be hugely complex.

Interview under caution ensures evidence is admissible in court if charges are brought, but also means the rights of a suspect are protected.

In a statement on Friday, the Met police said: “A total of 13 interviews under caution have been completed and more are scheduled. This number will continue to increase as progress is made with the investigation.”

The force would not say how many people were interviewed or whether any people had been interviewed under caution more than once

Police still have masses of material relating to the disaster to comb through, as do prosecutors at the CPS.

Police and CPS lawyers have been in discussion about the investigation since it began, which is normal in a criminal investigation.

Survivors and those bereaved by the disaster on 14 June 2017 feel frustrated and angry in their fight for justice.

The police criminal inquiry and the public inquiry have been cooperating, but key issues remain unresolved, such as whether any criminal trial could be prejudiced by criticism in the public inquiry’s final report. The public inquiry is not supposed to apportion blame but any potential defendant could try to have a criminal charge thrown out because of potential prejudice to a fair trial"

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HelenaDove · 10/06/2019 16:48

news.sky.com/story/social-housing-residents-second-class-citizens-over-home-repairs-11738733

Social housing residents 'second-class citizens' over home repairs
Homeless charity Shelter says approximately 2.5 million people have had a problem with their homes

More than half of people living in social housing in England have experienced a problem with their home in the past three years, including electrical faults, gas leaks and faulty lifts.

Research by the homeless charity Shelter shows approximately 2.5 million people have had a problem and one in 10 had to report it 10 times before it was dealt with.

Michael Mohid, 70, has lived in the same council flat in southeast London for more than 30 years.

He said the flat has been permanently damaged by four major floods in that time.

"When I had a flood in the downstairs toilet, the council didn't fix it for weeks because it had asbestos panelling," he said

"I had to walk through the flood water every morning, I tried to mop it but couldn't keep up with it."

On another occasion Mr Mohid said the flat was without electricity for three weeks.

"It makes you very stressed," he said.

"The garden has some subsidence so there was a crack in the wall. Every time it rained, water would get in and leave the carpet squelchy. I had to keep on reporting it."

Karen Connelly, 54, lives on the same housing estate and has been campaigning for residents for more than a decade.

She was awarded £4,000 in compensation from Southwark Council after being exposed to asbestos.

She said: "People are at their wits' end. They are scared, anxious and angry and don't feel like they are being listened to.

"The whole complaints procedure for any disrepair is harrowing. Every step of the way we are treated like second-rate citizens.

"We are dealing with faulty electrics, raw sewage and the heating and hot water never works.

Councillor Kieron Williams, cabinet member for housing management and modernisation at Southwark Council, said: "As the landlord of London's largest social housing stock, it is a mammoth task to manage our repairs in a timely way, and successive cuts by central government to council budgets have only made it harder.

"However, we always strive to deliver the very highest standards of service to our tenants and as a council we are proud to have an 89% repair satisfaction rate from our residents.

The research comes almost two years after the Grenfell Tower fire, which exposed the failures of social housing in the UK. There have been calls for tougher regulations to better protect people living in social housing.

Shelter chief executive Polly Neate said: "Tenants were not listened to at Grenfell and they are still not being listened to in social housing up and down the country.

"They are acutely aware of that and it's leading them to fear for their safety, which is hardly surprising given what happened at Grenfell.

"So what we really need is a new regulator that will hear tenants' concerns, and follow them up, and be accountable to tenants themselves."

A spokesperson from the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said: "No one should be forced to live in unsafe housing and we are working closely with Grenfell United and others to ensure social homes are safe and issues are resolved quickly.

"In our recent Social Housing Green Paper consultation we set out proposals to re-balance the relationship between residents and landlords, to tackle stigma and ensure residents' voices are heard - and we will publish our response before the summer recess.

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HelenaDove · 10/06/2019 19:30

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/10/grenfell-tower-brokenshire-survivors-anger-delays

The housing secretary, James Brokenshire, has been angrily confronted by a Grenfell Tower survivor and accused of failing to do enough to prevent a repeat disaster.

The day after a fire raged through balconies at a housing block in Barking, Willie Thompson, who escaped the Grenfell disaster two years ago, warned Brokenshire that he would be held responsible if it happened again and said: “There’s another Grenfell in the post and it is going to land on your door.”

“You guys are doing almost nothing,” Thompson told the minister responsible for building safety at an event in parliament to mark the second anniversary of the fire that claimed 72 lives. “Does it take another Grenfell?”

“No,” Brokenshire said, who admitted the responsibility “weighs heavily on me” and later described the Barking fire as “deeply concerning”. “It takes a lot longer than we would have wanted it to. I accept your challenge on how we speed this up.

But I bet you are not losing any sleep at night,” Thompson, a father of two, angrily replied. “Parents are afraid their children will die … One of my best friends in the world was flashing his light [from his flat in Grenfell]. That man never came out. Take that image to bed with you.” Thompson then walked away.

The highly charged exchange came as survivors and the bereaved expressed frustration at the pace of changes to the culture over housing. On Sunday the Guardian revealed that a month before the fire at Barking Riverside, residents asked Bellway, the builder, to carry out fire safety checks, but were told there was nothing to worry about.

Ed Daffarn, who also escaped from Grenfell, told the reception attended by the home secretary, Sajid Javid, Conservative leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn: “Just yesterday a fire ripped across flats in Barking. It is a miracle no one was harmed and it is distressing to us to hear residents were raising safety concerns before the fire, just like we were.

“In the days after the fire, the government promised that no stone would be left unturned in addressing the causes of the fire, ensuring that such a tragedy could never happen again. The survivors and the bereaved were promised justice and we were promised change. However, two years on, the reality is that little has changed and justice seems as far away as ever.

Daffarn cited the amount of unsafe cladding still on hundreds of towers across the country, the failure to reform regulation of social housing, and repeated delays to the public inquiry, saying: “Justice delayed is justice denied.”

A group of survivors and bereaved are set to take legal action in US court against companies involved in making the cladding materials on Grenfell, including the US industrial giant Arconic, which made the rainscreen panels, and Celotex, which made the insulation. Celotex said it learned about the legal action on Friday and was “considering its position”. Arconic declined to comment.

Karim Mussilhy, whose uncle died in the fire, told MPs and ministers that survivors and the bereaved had to work “ridiculously hard just to get some of your attention, let alone have things change”.

“We shouldn’t be here,” he said. “We should be at home trying to rebuild the lives that were taken away from us, coming to terms with this new reality that we were forced into because we were ignored and neglected and lost our loved ones in the most horrific way possible. All we had is promises, promises and promises, broken promises.

In a speech after being challenged by Thompson, Brokenshire said: “Two years have passed, and I know this has been testing in ways I cannot begin to imagine … I have to say that your strength and character and dignity has been truly humbling for me to see.

“For too long the people of Grenfell and people across the country have been excluded from conversations about the homes they are living in,” he said. “Whilst there has been progress on rehousing, I know there is a lot more to do. We need to continue to challenge ourselves.”

John Healey, Labour’s shadow housing secretary, said: “Not enough has been done to get every one of those Grenfell survivors into a new home, to get justice for the Grenfell community, to get all those other blocks with unsafe cladding removed and replaced, and also to get those far-reaching changes to building regulations.”

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HelenaDove · 11/06/2019 01:11
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