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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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FlameIngSofa · 26/02/2019 09:58

Unfortunately, there is some dark stuff going on behind the scenes with the fire services, particularly the FBU. Some of it revolves around the issue of toxic fumes, which fire fighters have been facing in huge volumes ever since flame retardant chemicals became so prevalent in UK homes. Key people in the fire services have been blocking attempts by researchers to get hold of statistics on cancers in firefighters. Why? Well, it's on record that the flame retardant industry pays very well for fire service officials to push for more of their chemicals in products. The Grenfell Tower fire was incredibly toxic from burning flame retardants. And, well, you can probably guess the rest . . .

HelenaDove · 01/03/2019 18:02

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/clyde-house-residents-death-trap-14070046

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HelenaDove · 07/03/2019 16:46

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/06/grenfell-survivors-anger-as-police-say-no-charges-till-2021?fbclid=IwAR1YwRQ-waaabeAt9biCN1D2Pmm6DAU_Uo1RAzqpVjdyt2MoOAbxMMO_9MA

"Grenfell survivors’ anger as police say no charges until 2021

‘Extremely frustrating and disheartening’: investigation held up by public inquiry

Survivors and the bereaved from the Grenfell Tower fire have expressed their “extreme frustration” at the pace of justice after Scotland Yard admitted no charges were likely for at least two years.

Detectives investigating the possibility of manslaughter and corporate manslaughter offences said their investigation must take into account the public inquiry into the disaster, the second phase of which will not start until the end of this year. Inquiry lawyers have been swamped with 476,000 separate documents.

Scotland Yard said in a statement it is unlikely to submit a file to prosecutors before “the latter part of 2021”. The announcement means any trials might not start until 2022 – about five years after the fire that shocked the nation and claimed 72 lives.
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The Guardian understands police have so far interviewed 11 people under criminal caution for offences ranging from manslaughter to health and safety breaches. Some were interviewed as representatives of their organisation, others as individuals. There have been no arrests.

Grenfell United, a group representing the survivors and bereaved from the fire in west London on 14 June 2017, said the police decision to delay passing files to prosecutors was “extremely frustrating and disheartening” and that “vague reassurances are wearing thin”

It said families needed clear commitments to keep faith in the process and warned that Theresa May risked being remembered as “the prime minister that failed us”.

“The week after a fire that killed our loved ones and neighbours, Theresa May promised us justice,” said Natasha Elcock, the chair of Grenfell United.
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“Justice for us means accountability and change. And we see little real change. We are living in a limbo with no individuals or organisations being held accountable and it is so painful for all of us who lost loved ones and our homes that night. We wait month after month, our lives on hold, for some kind of justice and progress.”

Some of the bereaved and survivors had hoped that the police investigation could run independently of the public inquiry chaired by Sir Martin Moore-Bick.

His first-phase report examining what happened on the night of the fire is due to be published after Easter, but the second stage of the inquiry investigating how the 24-storey tower owned by the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea came to be refurbished using highly combustible materials will not start hearings before the end of the year.

While the Grenfell Tower inquiry and the police investigation are independent of each other, our timelines are inextricably linked,” said Det Supt Matt Bonner, who leads the police investigation.

“For our investigation to be considered thorough and complete, it must consider all relevant information and it would be wrong not to take into account evidence given to the public inquiry and its final report and findings.”

He conceded the new timetable was longer than anticipated but said it was essential all the available evidence was considered before any file was submitted to prosecutors.

Survivors are also frustrated that there is still no firm timetable for the second phase of the inquiry, that they have not been told where it will take place and that action to replace combustible cladding on hundreds of other high-rise blocks in England remains slow

New figures are due out on Thursday which are expected to confirm that scores of blocks are still to be fixed. Survivors have also been promised that the government will appoint a diverse panel to guide the inquiry in the next phase, but its members are yet to be named.

Elcock said: “We know the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower turned our homes into a death trap and we know that people, organisations and institutions that were meant to care for us didn’t and 72 people died.

“And yet no one has been held accountable. On this timeline, Theresa May risks leaving office without a single trial starting. As bereaved families and survivors, we urgently need reassurances from government that justice and change will come.

“It is now 21 months since the fire, thousands of people are still living in homes with dangerous cladding, people in social housing are still being mistreated by landlords and Grenfell families still wait for any kind of justice."

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HelenaDove · 07/03/2019 16:54

HelenaDove Sun 10-Feb-19 15:31:48

We have had FOUR letters since New Year wanting access for some reason or another and its only early February.

To discuss changes to the flat doors for fire safety

Access so they can do a gas safety check (we are electric but still have to have it done)

The company doing the doors wanted access to tenants flats in the WEEK commencing 7th Jan. They wouldnt even narrow it down to a day let alone a time.
Then no one turned up.
They also wrote to us last August saying they MAY knock on our doors to do a check on a certain day. MAY is even written in bold in the letter so wasnt even for certain.

Yet moaned when they couldnt get access to some of the flats.

They wont be able to get access to flats all at even roughly the same time. Because many people work shifts. A lot of tenants who are working are in precarious low status jobs and fear taking time off especially if its zero hours which lots of them are There has been an erosion of workers rights and SH tenants dont have a lot of rights either so are often caught between a rock and a hard place.

We had a paramedic on our estate who gave up his tenancy and moved in with a relative because the HA were so inflexible with when they wanted to do things and he just couldnt keep taking time off.

I know some HAs can be flexible but ours is 8.am to 6pm Monday to Friday for access checks visits etc and refuse to budge from that.
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HelenaDove Thu 07-Mar-19 00:14:48

And here we go with no 5. Another access visit this time for a stock condition survey.

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HelenaDove · 13/03/2019 01:57

Speaking of equality.

Sharon Wagstaff says:
November 17, 2018 at 8:47 pm

"I am a disabled tenant have recently came out of hospital after 6 weeks and 6 operations. I had a serious stomach infection and have had half of my stomach taken away basically a great big hole. The week before I went into hospital I stayed in bed all week. I have asbestos in my flat a boiler in my bedroom no natural light or ventilation and are inundated with damp. our whole estate have similar issues. But all sanctuary can be bothered with is that my mobility scooter is in the communal area and it has to be moved otherwise they will remove it. I wouldn’t mind but 2016 I received a letter from my MP who said a ramp had been agreed to be put in. This has never happened exactly a year later a new housing officer came out and said they will put a shed in. 2018 yet another housing officer who has come in laying the law down with I don’t care attitude she actually said she doesn’t care and is using what happened at grenfall towers as an excuse. The housing options team have said it’s the housing association who is to provide me with what I need. But of course that’s not what sanctuary are saying they are saying I have to move it to a friend’s or family to store it. I outlined it’s against my human rights I have been housebound for the last two years and after 6 weeks in hospital and 6 operations who will need it to get out and about but no not according to housing officer a much younger person I pray that she ends up with the bad luck I have had when she is older and she gets pushed around the system. I worked in the system for years as a social worker and have seen how it works. I’m actually disgusted being on the receiving end."

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HelenaDove · 15/03/2019 16:04

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/14543-2/

" Disabled people had rights breached before and after Grenfell fire, says watchdog
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By John Pring on March 14, 2019 Human Rights

Disabled people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy had their human rights breached by public bodies that failed to plan how they would evacuate their homes in the event of a fire, a report by the equality and human rights watchdog has concluded.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) report says the safety of wheelchair-users and other disabled and older people was overlooked when they were housed on the top floors of the high-rise building.

It says that disabled people and other residents of Grenfell Tower and other nearby housing experienced a series of breaches of their human rights before the fire, including through the failure to ban the combustible cladding that was wrapped around the building, or at least strengthen rules for its use.

But it also says that disabled people’s rights were repeatedly breached in the days and months after the fire.

Disabled people, children, migrants and older people were among the 72 people who died in the Grenfell Tower fire that began in the early hours of 14 June 2017, in homes managed by the state in west London.

The EHRC research, carried out with the social policy think-tank Race on the Agenda, suggests that the right to life of disabled people, older people and families with children was not properly considered in fire safety arrangements, with “particular concerns” about the lack of appropriate planning for evacuating disabled people and other residents.

There is also evidence that the safety notice given to Grenfell residents was only available in English, a language not spoken by many of them.

The report also highlights a continued lack of support after the fire, amounting to inhuman and degrading treatment, particularly in “the inconsistent, and sometimes absent, immediate and long-term support such as medical treatment, counselling, mental health care and adequate housing”.

The report suggests there were breaches of the right to life; the right to safe, adequate housing; and the right to freedom from cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment; while disabled people and other groups also faced discrimination in how they were treated after the tragedy.

The report says: “The fact that people with limited mobility were living high up in Grenfell Tower, and faced greater difficulties escaping the fire, raises important questions about discrimination against certain groups, accessibility standards, and whether authorities assessed the impact on disabled people of allocating housing in Grenfell Tower.”

The report includes a series of examples of how disabled people had their rights breached in the days, weeks and months after the fire.

One disabled woman, who had been left traumatised by losing five members of her family in the fire, had her out-of-work disability benefits cut after being assessed by a government contractor just five days later.

The woman, who lost her brother, his wife, and their three children in the fire, had been assessed for her fitness for work on 19 June 2017, five days after the fire.

Her husband, her full-time carer, told researchers that when they told the healthcare professional carrying out the work capability assessment that she had lost her five relatives in the fire, “she didn’t care” and “didn’t consider the suffering” that his wife had been through.

His wife had previously been in the support group for employment and support allowance, for those not expected to carry out any work-related activity, but after the assessment she was placed by the Department for Work and Pensions in the work-related activity group.

The report’s researchers were told that she had since been told to attend a work training scheme, even though her health had worsened since the fire.

One disabled older person, who lives on the 14th floor of a block of flats near Grenfell Tower, told the researchers that he told his children “every day” that if there was a similar fire to the one that devastated Grenfell, they should leave him to struggle down the stairs on his own.

He said: “There are five floors above me… So, if I go down and I stop in the middle, the people behind me will not be able to pass. So, we discussed all these issues.”

The report found that none of the local residents they had spoken to who had been forced to leave their homes after the fire had accepted permanent accommodation, but some said they had felt pressured to return home or take unsuitable offers.

One wheelchair-user was pressured to accept the offer of a permanent flat, even though it was not wheelchair-accessible and she could not access some of the rooms.

She was told: “Oh don’t worry, we’ll get a carer in to look after you, help you out with the kids.”

She was then told that if she did not agree to move into the flat, she would be viewed as making herself intentionally homeless.

The report also describes a wheelchair-user with young children – believed to be the same woman – who was left in emergency housing with just one room and no cooking facilities and had to visit the local swimming pool if she wanted a shower.

The report, Grenfell Residents’ Access to Public Services and Support – part of the commission’s Following Grenfell project – describes the lived experience of people who had been “displaced, traumatised and distressed” by the fire.

It shows the “ongoing difficulties and uncertainty they have faced in accessing a range of advice and support services such as housing, immigration, welfare support and healthcare”.

Among its conclusions, the report says: “There was poor recognition of additional needs and reasonable adjustments when making housing decisions, particularly for disabled people, older people, women and Muslim families.

“Residents described the dire state of both emergency and temporary accommodation when being rehoused, posing a threat to their physical and mental health.”

EHRC’s Following Grenfell project aims to influence the Grenfell Tower Inquiry, other public bodies and the public about the equality and human rights issues raised by the fire and its aftermath.

David Isaac, EHRC’s chair, said: “Everyone has the right to life and the right to safe, adequate housing, but the residents of Grenfell Tower were tragically let down by public bodies that had a duty to protect them.

“It is our hope that the Grenfell Inquiry finds this information relevant and useful as they continue with their work, but we also need to see action taken by public bodies so we never see a repeat of this tragedy"

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HelenaDove · 16/03/2019 15:28

Dispatches has done an expose on another housing association.

Planned broadcast date................25th March.

www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/hsxfk8/channel-4-dispatches/?fbclid=IwAR1LkqL40JMwmHzdiHm6xPdvKNEJHVBpN6WMD_b60zhpFFWuRrnrup_p5yg

Datshiane Navanayagam reveals the shocking conditions that tenants of one of Britain's biggest social landlords are being forced to live in. A year-long investigation finds that Sanctuary Housing left family homes in disrepair and uncovers evidence that this had a critical impact on the health of some of their most vulnerable tenants. As the housing association has grown, official channels of complaint have failed to force it to act reasonably, leaving residents feeling voiceless. In desperation they've turned to social media to share their experiences and offer support. Dispatches asks: are housing associations the new landlords from hell?
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Reporter Datshiane Navanayagam
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HelenaDove · 28/03/2019 23:37

Albion Towers, on the edge of Pendleton, is currently undergoing a £3.9million 'modernisation' programme – but its care of one resident who lives on the 6th floor has gone back to the dark ages.

John McDonough is almost 85, and is severely disabled with arthritis and major breathing difficulties... "I've got to walk with sticks" he says "I'm in a bad way, it takes me all my time just to get to my bedroom and back."

During the refurbishment, John has been almost a prisoner in his own flat, as, first, he couldn't get his mobility scooter in or out of the block due to a narrowed entrance downstairs, and, lately the lift on his own floor has been out of action for work to be done.

"This lift is now out for twelve weeks" he says "I'm supposed to sit here and rot – I've been a prisoner here for last 26 weeks."

If it wasn't for fellow resident Paul Midgely putting him in a wheelchair and getting him out he wouldn't have left the flat at all during that time...

"They've just been ignoring me" says John "I'm just an old man who's going to die anyway. I'm 85 on 12th April and I have difficulties breathing and everything else. As well as that I go through two asthma inhalers a week. I am not being looked after in any way by Salix or the Albion Towers Co-operative office."

John initially put in a formal complaint and, as a result was promised a temporary move while the building work was carried out. They showed him four places. The first he couldn't get his scooter in or out, the second was filthy with a three month wait, and the third was a seventh floor flat!

The fourth place was in sheltered accommodation... "I couldn't even get in to measure up" John recalls "I phoned up the Salix girl and said 'You've got me so depressed I feel like committing suicide, that's how bad it is'. She said 'In that case I'll have to get onto the emergency services to say we've got a tenant talking about committing suicide' – but no-one ever came."

"He phoned me and I had to leave my friend's funeral to come back here to sort him out" says Paul "Last week John had to go to the bank, so I carried him down one flight of stairs but the lift was broke, so I had to get a staff member to help me carry him back to his flat in his wheelchair."

Apart from Mary, a domestic who is paid by John to come in once a week, and Paul doing his bit, John would receive no help at all... "Yes, without Mary and Paul I would have been left to rot and die" agrees John.

"It boils down to neglect; they have a duty of care" says Paul "Salix Homes should have its own team for vulnerable people – where are they? That's the question."

Paul did find an empty flat on his ninth floor corridor for John where the lift is working and Salix has agreed to a temporary move. That was eight weeks ago, John says, and it still isn't ready. Meanwhile John remains a prisoner.

It's one of a catalogue of horrors that have engulfed residents. John shows a final reminder estimated gas bill for the last quarter of £316 – even though the gas was taken out last September. No-one told the supplier... "He was panicking and was going to pay it" says John "He's still getting threatening text messages from supplier, and there's many others going through the same thing."

And Paul's own flat has had numerous problems, with huge gaps left under fire doors and windows that he's had to pack with newspaper and tape. He even took the City Mayor, who lives in the same social housing block, to his flat to show him... "He said it was unacceptable".

While John's flat is now being sorted after months, other residents, the Salford Star understands, have not been so lucky.

The Salford Star has asked Salix Homes for a comment but, as yet, there's been no response

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FlameIngSofa · 02/04/2019 15:59

It's a good article as far as it goes; however, the press has been pathetic regarding doing any actual investigative work over this issue. They don't mind reporting what others say - Professor Stec in this case - and having a little moan about what it portends. But they are far too scared - of being sued, of their newspapers losing advertisers - to dig beneath the surface. If they did, they would find there is much that the Stec report doesn't say which may or may not be connected to the fact that her university, UCLAN, receives funding from the flame retardant industry. Similarly, why has Stec made virtually no mention of the huge contribution burning furniture made to the toxicity of the Grenfell fire, despite her paper in late 2017 on the massive toxicity of furniture when it burns? Could there also be a link with flame retardants there?

HelenaDove · 02/04/2019 16:44

Its well known how the Grenfell residents were bullied and threatened to keep quiet about workmanship issues pre fire.

Upthread i posted about the residents in Toryglen whose HA Thistle threatened them.

Here we go again.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rock-street-housing-association-oldham-16064793?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

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HelenaDove · 09/04/2019 14:08

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/09/grenfell-survivor-mariko-toyoshima-lewis-kensington-chelsea-council?CMP=share_btn_tw

Grenfell survivor was housed in hotel with no accessible bathroom

Mariko Toyoshima-Lewis says Kensington and Chelsea council robbed her of dignity

A disabled Grenfell Tower survivor has accused Kensington and Chelsea council of robbing her of her dignity and making her trauma worse by putting her up in accommodation where she was unable to use the bathroom.

In her first interview since the fire, Mariko Toyoshima-Lewis, 43, said she had had to leave the hotel where she lived with her three young children for 16 months, every time she needed to use the toilet or have a shower, because her wheelchair would not fit into the bathroom.

When she was unable to make the journey to an accessible bathroom in another hotel five minutes away, she had to use a commode, which her children Kohana, 11, Taiyou, 9, and Aozora, 7, had to empty for her. Because she was unable to get into the bathroom she was forced to wash her son in a bucket.

“The council do not care about human dignity,” said Toyoshima-Lewis, a former teacher from Japan. “The way they have treated me and my children has made our trauma from the fire so much worse.”

Toyoshima-Lewis’s account of her treatment comes almost two years after the Grenfell Tower fire, which left 202 households in need of rehousing. She and her children are among the 19 that are still in temporary accommodation, hotels or serviced apartments

Their wait for a permanent home has been beset with problems. The children have multiple food allergies and have had hospital treatment on several occasions after having an adverse reaction to the hotel food.

Toyoshima-Lewis struggled to transfer from her wheelchair to the hotel bed as it was too narrow and she could not reach the keyhole of the hotel room door. Kohana used the bathroom to do her homework in as there was no other quiet space available. She obtained a microwave and said she had to survive on Pot Noodles with the water boiled in the microwave as she was unable to reach the kettle.

After the fire the council promised the family permanent accessible accommodation, but almost two years on she is still waiting for it to be completed. After spending 18 months in hotel accommodation, Toyoshima-Lewis in desperation accepted some temporary accommodation in Ladbroke Grove last December that it is not fully adapted for a wheelchair user

There is a gleaming kitchen that she is unable to use because she cannot reach the sink, stove or cupboards in her wheelchair. Instead the council has installed a table for her to use. The council is understood to now be working to further adapt the accommodation and providing two housing occupational therapists and a personal assistant.

Toyoshima-Lewis and her children moved into Grenfell Tower in July 2016. She is confined to a wheelchair because of a degenerative disc problem and has other health problems.
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Toyoshima-Lewis and her family lived in flat 9 on the third floor of Grenfell Tower. Like the hotel bathroom, her Grenfell front door was too narrow to fit a wheelchair into and she had to leave her electric wheelchair and scooter outside and transfer to a smaller manual wheelchair inside the flat.

On the night of the fire her children and her ex-husband, who was with the family at the time, were rescued first. The children did not want to be separated from their mother but she persuaded them to go with the firefighters. She was terrified she would never see them again.

“I kept smiling at my children,” she said. “I didn’t want them to panic. I told them: ‘Mummy is coming later.’” She demonstrated how she forced herself to smile through her terror to try to keep her children calm. Then she became overwhelmed by vivid memories of that horrific night. “It was so hot, I prayed for my children and for their future,” she said.

For months afterwards her children were too scared to sleep in case they were separated from her again. All are still deeply traumatised and are desperate to move into safe, permanent accommodation.

“The council don’t care about human dignity. I was too ashamed to speak out before about what has been happening to me since the fire but now I want people to know what is going on. Enough is enough

Her solicitor, Albert Harwood of Howe+Co solicitors, said: “Despite assurances from the council that the family would be provided with a fully disabled-adapted permanent home, 22 months later they are still waiting. Mariko is a very private and dignified woman and was very reluctant to share her story publicly. But she felt that for the sake of her children and other disabled people facing similar problems, she had no choice but to speak out.”

A Kensington and Chelsea council spokesperson said: “Our council continues to do all we can to make sure those affected by the Grenfell tragedy receive the care and support they need and that they are rehoused at a pace that suits them. We tried every route to secure more homes quickly. Alongside the home-buying programme, we have been working hard to make the properties we have bought into places that meet families’ needs and that they can call home. We have been working with them to do so in incredibly complex circumstances. We are nearly there, but we will not be rushing the last few families to meet artificial deadlines.”

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HelenaDove · 15/04/2019 16:00

Man charged over burning effigy of Grenfell Tower.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grenfell-tower-video-model-bonfire-paul-bussetti-charge-court-a8870236.html

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HelenaDove · 15/04/2019 16:15

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47898652

Grenfell family 'face removal from home'

A family who survived the Grenfell Tower fire has said they are set to be moved out of their temporary home, as the council will no longer pay for it.

Mahad Egal and Jamie Murray and their two young children want to stay in the property, but Kensington and Chelsea Council has said it is "no longer suitable" and will not renew it.

It has offered the family alternative temporary housing instead.

The council says that it has not threatened anyone with eviction.

The couple has previously been offered a permanent home, but declined it over fears about the use of aluminium, although the council said that all its homes for survivors were safe

The couple and their two children, aged three and five, escaped from the fourth floor of Grenfell Tower during the fire in June 2017, in which 72 people died.

They moved into a permanent home last month, but within three weeks had returned to their temporary accommodation - which they first entered in August 2017.

Ms Murray told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme that the permanent home had been connected to a building with aluminium decorative casing around the windows.

They could see this through the living room window and it made them feel unsafe following their experiences of the fire.

The council said the material was not flammable and was "one of the safest forms of rain-screening building material available in the industry".

But Ms Murray said: "We were given similar reassurances when we lived in Grenfell Tower.

"[The council] are talking about physical safety, [but] you telling me that I am safe does not make me feel safe.

Ms Murray added that the stress of their present situation had caused her to experience vomit-inducing anxiety and made her flashbacks worse.

In the last two weeks she said she has also suffered a miscarriage.

The family added that moving from one property to another with two children would be "stressful and unnecessary" and Mr Egal was reporting symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

They said the next time they move, they want it to be their permanent "forever" home.
'No culture change'

The couple said they were now effectively being evicted from their current temporary accommodation.

In a legal letter seen by the Victoria Derbyshire programme, Kensington and Chelsea Council state that it was "no longer suitable".

The family now say they fear leaving the home in case they are not allowed back in.

Mr Egal told the BBC that "every day from now on is a potential eviction day" and he feared the effect it would have on their children.

He added that the council has paid the rent for last week and the weekend just gone, but that is it.

Local Labour MP Emma Dent Coad said the council saw some Grenfell survivors as "troublesome" and wanted to "clear the decks" before the second anniversary of the tragedy on 14 June.

She said there was "no culture change" at the council, and she could see no justification "at all" for wanting to move the family from their temporary accommodation.

Kensington and Chelsea Council said in a statement: "We have worked with more than 180 households from Grenfell Tower to find them a suitable, permanent home.

"A small number of families find they have trouble settling into their new property and if they wish to move, we will find them suitable temporary housing while they consider what they want for the long term.

"All our homes for Grenfell [survivors] are safe and secure.

"We have not threatened any Grenfell survivor with eviction from their property."

In the week of the fire i remember a survivor telling Alok Sharma that he wasnt prepared to keep moving his young daughter from here to here to here to here. They KNEW that it was going to be like this, And they have been proved right.

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HelenaDove · 16/04/2019 17:15

www.24housing.co.uk/news/government-to-drop-plans-to-create-a-national-tenant-voice/

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government has decided not to pursue a national tenants’ group, it is believed.

24housing has learned the government is due to drop the idea, first pitched in the Social Housing Green Paper.

Although a discussion paper, the tenant voice was widely believed to be a key pillar of government housing plans.

It is now thought government ministers will be conducting their own roadshows, as was used in the creation of the Green Paper.

There is concern this will result in key issues, such as welfare reform, being ignored.

In the Paper’s foreword, James Brokenshire says the third principle “concerns empowering residents and making sure their voices are heard”.

He added: “This will drive better services and ensure residents have more choice and control.”

The paper was said to be a “new vision for social housing” and that this vision “values and respects the voices of residents”.

The idea of a national tenant representation was overwhelmingly supported in a poll undertaken by A Voice for Tenants Steering Group, which found 93% wanted this.

The Voice for Tenants steering group, which was set up in the aftermath of the fire at Grenfell, has also voiced concerns with the lack of progress.

The group have criticised Housing Minister Kit Malthouse for not responding to a letter they sent, but MHCLG have denied this, saying they replied back in February.

Responding to 24housing on the plans to drop the tenants’ voice group plan, an MHCLG spokesperson said the department remains “committed to engaging with, and listening to all, social housing tenants”.

They added: “Our consultation on social housing closed in November. We are considering submissions and will publish our response in due course.”

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Kazzyhoward · 22/04/2019 19:55

It's actually really disturbing that HAs and public service contractors are currently exempt from FOI Act.

Ironically, the FOI act could well have been one of the reasons why local authorities have contracted out so many of their services, along with the high costs of public sector pensions, national pay bargaining, public sector union strength etc.

FlameIngSofa · 22/04/2019 20:57

It's also one of the reasons government departments from the Minister down rarely keep meeting notes any longer, i.e. so they don't have to hand them over under a FOI Act request. That, and a culture of departments simply lying in their FOI responses too - increasingly over the past few years.

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HelenaDove · 23/04/2019 22:50

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