EU citizens and UK Settled Status

[StillGotCake]

I am fast losing the little confidence I have left in Teresa May.

The proposed arrangements for EU citizens post-Brexit are a dog's dinner.

In particular, EU citizens who have previously acquired a permanent residency card (at significant cost and in the face of excessive bureaucracy) are now told that they shouldn't have bothered. It's worthless. They will need to reapply for "Settled Status".

For the love of God, why?? Is TM determined to make the UK the most disliked nation on the planet? If EU citizens have already applied successfully for a PERMANENT residency card surely that can be simply transferred over to settled status without further bureaucracy (and fees).

I have been generally supportive of the U.K. govt in trying to navigate a pathway through Brexit, but my patience is wearing thin. They look incompetent and we are becoming a deeply unloved laughing stock.

Thanks for not suggesting mass deportation of fellow immigrants. Gracious of you

If you voted you are therefore a fully fledged UK citizen. Why on earth does it cause you the rage so much? If it helps I am UK born and bred. I just don't get it.

The Irish also have more rights in the UK as Irish citizens. US citizens can stay for 6 months (we only get 3 months in the US) Is this also unfair? Differe t nationalities have different visa requirements and different values placed on their passports. That is just fact

And if non EU immigrantd voted leave to stop EU immigrants they're pitiful selfish human beings

@everthinkyouhavebeemconned you don't have to be a citizen to vote. Lawful residents who are from the commonwealth countries are allowed to vote in UK elections. Guess that is one privilege us lower tier non EU immigrants had going for us. And I won't be surprised to know that many non EU citizens wielded that voted accordingly to make their immigration grievances felt.
Certainly the leave campaign targeted the Indian restaurant industry with false promises that visas would be easier to obtain for restaurant chefs from the Indian sub continent. This motivated a lot of Asian restaurant owners and workers to vote leave as the Indian restaurant trade is suffering due to the difficulty on obtaining staff with the required expertise. Of course they are now finding out that they have been conned as visas for people from the Indian sub continent haven't been made any easier. But that's by the by
Yes you are absolutely right. Different nationalities have different values placed on their passports and guess What??? less value is now placed on the EU nationality and passport. Spot on there! So sick otbup like everyone else has been doing all these years.

@haveyoueverbeenconned they may certainly be selfish and pitiful human beings in your opinion. But everyone votes in their self interest and beliefs. If it were not for my industry, I may have voted differently based on different motivations and self interest. How can I label others for doing the same?

Only commonwealth and Irish citizens can vote in addition to UK.

No you are wrong. The EU passport will be stronger. It will only be in the UK that they will be impacted. That won't be an issue as the jobs won't be here any more. They will still have FOM we wont

Your delight in others misfortune is really ungracious

You do know when the Far Right can't blame EU immigrants anymore they will start to blame commonwealth immigrants again don't you.

people want things to be just as bad for EU as non-EU citizens.

Yes they do. Because immigrants are not never seen as 'as good as' the natives. They always seen as people who should be grateful for everything that is give to them. That's they have to be a 'good immigrant'. Thatbthey have to jump through hoops to 'prove' how much they want to be there as well as proving they are worth being there.
It's not just the UK. You will find that in most countries I imagine.

So we now have moved from seeing Eu citizens as being different to 'immigrants' to everyone is the same and you all need to prove you are worth of being allowed to stay in the country.

It's not a race to the bottom. It's the acknowledgement of a way of looking at the world. Them vs us. The EU was part of 'us' they are not anymore.

Purple No it is a race to the bottom however patronising you dress it. I'm from immigrants btw

Fat I'm guessing you don't care about the impact to UK citizens either as they will be 'equal' in rights to you within the EU when our rights are stripped away too. Nice

@haveyoueverbeenconned the far right has always targeted the non EU immigrants (well not the white Americans, Australians and South Africans etc) so there is nothing to start on as it has never stopped. We are very used to that. And that is something all non white immiflgrants are prepared to face when they migrate to a country with a white majority.

@haveyoueverbeenconned if UK citizens strongly wanted to keep those rights they would have voted to remain. A lot of them didn't (perhaps due to being fed false information). I suggest you take your beef up with your fellow countrymen who voted in their self interest and beliefs and led to a diminishing of your rights as you put it.

Ah the true colours come out when pushed against a wall. When things are not going your way, blame the immigrants for voting in a way that you dislike. The largest leave votes came from areas with predominantly white British populations.

Fwiw as an eu citizen, what I am grumpy about isnthe fact that eu citizens coming here never did it with the same intention than a non eu citizen.
I moved here the same waybthan someone from NI could have moved to England. We were all part of the same 'group' and I didn't feel I was an immigrant in any shape or form.

I don't think I would have come to the uk as an immigrant, even then (20 years ago) but I did as a member of the same group, the EU.
I'm not sure I would have git married and settled in the uk either. Or at least not before giving a very long hard think about it and the answer might well have been NO.

As years passed, I felt I was nicely settled and part of the community. Not anymore. I'm an immigrant now. One that needs to prove they can stay. One that needs to prove they are worth it. One that can be treated in a very poor way (se all the retrospective rules to get the PRC for example. Or the way the HO treats immigrants in general, detention centres etc...) because I'm THEM and not US.

And you are wondering why eu citizens don't want to stay? You are wondering how to cope with less nurses and consultants? How will Universities cope?
Did someone really thought that people will stay after being treated like that? Because somehow the uk is so great, no one would ever chose another place to live (Note: immigration numbers have gone down in the last year THANKS to more British people deciding to go and live abroad...)

Born and bred UK from immigrants. I really don't think you know what you are talking about Fat Unless you have been here since the 1950s and have seen how families were treated over the decades

Please stop banging on about whites

if UK citizens strongly wanted to keep those rights they would have voted to remain.

Because you really think that most people KNEW what they were losing?

every you'll have to plain me why I was patronising.
Unless it's just because I don't quite see things the same than you??

I agree that a lot of people may have been sold a pup in voting leave.

Fat yes that's right as a non white person and child of immigrants I'm blaming them

Get a grip Fat I've already called out your constant reference to the whites etc. What is your issue? That EU citizens where are white?

Purple I apologise I misunderstood your post

I feel for your position. Believe me I do

@haveyoueverbeenconned I am not banging on. You said 're far right would turn on the NON EU. Well I am just reminding you that they have ALWAYS been against minorities. Yes white immigrants have been treated badly like the Irish but that is due to sectarian hatred and stereotype not racism.

fat I actually agree about the attitude towards immigrants.
Except that I would argue it has never been the domain of the far right. It has been very mainstream underneath a coating of political correctness.
(I'm living in one of those white area that voted Leave even though they will very probably be also those who will suffer the most form that move)

@haveyoueverbeenconned my issue is that they sympathy and outrage extended to EU immigrants were not extended to non EU immigrants or at least not extended so vocally, who have been treated badly for years. And yes I do believe that is is due partly to the fact that a lot of the non EU immigrants predidicially affected are not white.

Well to be fair there is a LOT of academic literature on how various British Nationality Acts were blatantly racist and intended to keep out Commonwealth migrants.

In the 1950s Britain found that a legal quirk meant that they were responsible for all kinds of stateless people across Empire. They had included the clause in the 1948 Act to protect British/white people who had chosen to remain in the colonies and who might not be awarded citizenship by the decolonised countries. Instead they found themselves responsible for half a million or more people including e.g. the Tamils in SL etc. Furious lobbying ensued. There is a letter from the British High Commissioner in Colombo to the Colonial Office (as it was then) and you can find it in the archives saying 'look can you think of a way of letting the Anglos here know i am there for them
But not leaking it to the Tamils.' To suggest British immigration policy is or has been race blind is slightly absurd.

Treated badly by immigration laws I mean. I have to say I have never suffers obvious racism to my face personally, but I live in a very diverse part of South London and work in the very liberal echloens of academia.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03086534.2013.768094?journalCode=fich20

Fat again you are inaccurate and clearly do not understand the level and history of racism in this country. That against the Irish was not sectarian and was on the mainland. Please educate yourself

Sigh. We were in the EU. EU citizens had conferred on them rights that are not conferred on commonwealth citizens due to treaties. Nothing to do with skin colour. You are obsessed

core.ac.uk/download/pdf/69346.pdf You could teach a whole undergraduate course on British nationality and its meanings really.