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London Fire: Grenfell Tower thread five

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RhythmAndStealth · 20/06/2017 17:14

RIP Flowers

Five victims officially named Flowers
At least 79 victims expected, possibly more Flowers
Many displaced and struggling Flowers

To all those affected and all those helping Flowers

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RedToothBrush · 02/07/2017 19:45

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-risk-assessor-carl-stokes-buried-fire-risk-report-kensington-and-chelsea-tenant-a7819386.html
Grenfell fire risk assessor who was paid £250k for his work urged council to bury his fire risk report
Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation wanted to hire a consultant willing to take on fire regulators

A Fire Risk Assessment for Grenfell Tower submitted by Mr Stokes to KCTMO in November 2012 suggested burying the report because the London Fire Brigade “have the power to undertake an audit of the fire risk assessment to determine if it is suitable and sufficient or not.”

The safety failings outlined in the report include the failure to maintain or inspect escape staircases, fire extinguishers and emergency escape lighting.

“The fire extinguisher in the basement boiler room, the lift motor room, the ground-floor electrical room plus other areas were out of date, according to the contractor’s label on the extinguishers,”the report reads.

“Some located in the roof level areas [of Grenfell Tower] had “condemned” written on them in large black writing, with a last test date of 2009 or 2010.

HelenaDove · 02/07/2017 19:59

The stink of this grows ever stronger.

My laptop is REALLY playing up so if i disappear for a short while that will be why.

woman12345 · 02/07/2017 22:16

Lammy seems to be the only mainstream politician who is keeping up the pressure on this.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/david-lammy-mp-grenfell-tower-interview-blair-brown-black

HelenaDove · 03/07/2017 00:40

Radical Housing Network
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Over 200 Southwark households learned this week that they may be living in a potential fire trap - full story below.

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The residents in four 13 storey tower blocks in the Ledbury estate were told on Friday by their landlord, Southwark Council, that cracks in their buildings mean they need to take additional fire safety measures. Residents understand that these cracks have compromised the compartmentalisation of the buildings which is essential to contain any fire in a single flat but no specific details have been provided. 24 hour fire wardens have been in place since Friday night but no new instructions have been issued to tenants about whether the ‘stay put’ policy in the event of a fire is still in place.

Dozens of concerned residents turned out on the green in the estate on Sunday afternoon for an impromptu meeting. The meeting was called by a few individual residents who felt frustrated by the lack of information coming from the council and it was clear from the discussion that many others felt the same way.

“We have told them about these cracks for years and they never cared as long as we were still paying our rent” said one woman.
Residents spoke passionately about their frustration over years and even decades when reporting problems with the building.
“My mother chokes on cigarette smoke every night that comes into her bedroom from the flat next door” said one man, “imagine if that was toxic smoke from a fire”.

“It’s not just the cracks”, said a mother of a disabled child who lives on a high floor “it’s the constant leaks that are getting into the electrical wires that are going to cause the fire!”

People demanded answers from local councillors about why this woman and other vulnerable people were not being evacuated from the building immediately, and why they were not being fully informed about the risk assessment that led to fire marshals being stationed on every second floor in the four blocks.

Numerous tenants spoke of their shock when they woke up on Saturday morning to find these security guards sitting outside their flats.

Another woman expressed the mistrust of many when she asked councillors “You say there’s no money for anything but now there’s money to pay people to sit outside our doors 24 hours a day? and you still say we shouldn’t be worried? What are you not telling us?”

Councillors said they had not seen the fire risk assessment. Angry residents questioned the council officials who are currently based in the estate’s tenants hall but they were also unable or unwilling to reveal what assessment of the risk had been made by the fire authorities.

Commitments were made by councillors and officers that they would attempt to get this information to residents as soon as possible but the meeting also resolved to send a deputation to the next full council meeting on the 12th of July and press home the urgency of dealing with this crisis.

A local member of the Radical Housing Network who was invited to attend said “I was at a meeting on Monday when the Council told us that we should be completely reassured that all buildings in Southwark are safe and that the ‘stay put’ policy was still the right policy. Clearly that was not true. If risk assessments did not pick up on this danger before now, when people have been reporting these cracks for years, then residents across the borough are entitled to know what’s going on.”

The meeting on Monday 26th June, attended by residents from the local area, was an open meeting by the fire brigade and Southwark Council at the Old Kent Road fire station. Southwark Council maintained at that meeting that all fire risk assessments of council blocks were up to date.

Another local housing campaigner who was asked to help facilitate the Ledbury meeting said “We don’t yet know the level of risk to residents in Ledbury but there are serious questions to be answered, affecting residents beyond this estate. Why were people who reported these cracks told less than a month ago that there was no danger? We understand that it was only at the insistence of one worried tenant, who sent pictures of the cracks directly to the London fire authority, that an independent assessment was carried out this week and the full extent of the danger has come to light.

Residents are right to demand direct accountability and they need to know whether the rumour is true that the London Fire Brigade have already suggested a full evacuation of these buildings. The lessons of Grenfell need to be learned and that means openness and accountability from the council to all its residents, including honesty about what failings in their fire risk assessments have led to this situation.”

Council officers said that the full structural survey of the building would start on Monday and that residents would be informed as soon as they knew the extent of repairs needed. However, one resident pleaded with the council not to wait until the last minute to make arrangements for evacuation – she called on them to put the contingency plans in place now so that if evacuation was required the council would be able to rehouse everyone in the local area.

The Radical Housing Network offers its full support and solidarity to the residents of Ledbury and are urging the council to guarantee now that residents will have a final say on any long term decisions about the blocks so that the future of this community and this social housing is protected.

woman12345 · 03/07/2017 07:06

Thanks HelenDove glad your laptop is back! Flowers
radicalhousingnetwork.org

Lucysky2017 · 03/07/2017 09:02

It's disgraceful. Fire safety shoudl be one of the most important safety aspects and this is a lesson to those of us who rent privately and also own a home. I checked my smoke alarm recently. I always put a new battery in when asked. My son was asking how to leave his bed room in case of fire yesterday if the stairs were blocked - we decided jumping one floor into bushes may be the best option if that ever happened. (He just sleeps one floor up).

woman12345 · 03/07/2017 09:36

A 'must watch' testimony from Grenfell volunteer.

HelenaDove · 03/07/2017 17:17

woman that clip is powerful and heartbreaking at the same time When she talks about a four year old who wanted to give the Grenfell children her toys because she didnt want them to be sad.....

RedToothBrush · 03/07/2017 17:50

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40486532?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter
Grenfell fire: Chairman prepared to hold 'very broad' inquiry

Sir Martin Moore-Bick is willing to "go right back to the construction of the tower" in the 1970s and examine warnings that may have been missed.

This is polite code for, I think the PM's remit for the inquiry are total bollocks.

HelenaDove · 03/07/2017 18:00

That sounds a bit more hopeful.

mrsglowglow · 03/07/2017 23:24

Finally a proper apology to the survivors and families of the grenfell tower fire by the new leader Elizabeth Campbell. Finally they have admitted they fucked up no excuses. Very careful they all are not to talk about their carry on before the fire.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2017 03:26

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/03/judges-told-issue-tougher-sentences-gross-negligence-manslaughter/
Judges told to issue tougher sentences for gross negligence manslaughter in the wake of Grenfell and Hillsborough

Judges have been told to issue tougher sentences for gross negligence manslaughter in the wake of the Hillsborough and Grenfell disasters.

There have previously been no set sentencing guidelines for the offence but the longest sentences were usually for less than ten years.

Now the Sentencing Council has moved to tell judges that they can hand out prison terms of up to 18 years in the most serious cases.

The new sentencing rules for gross negligence manslaughter published today propose that "cost-cutting" offenders who have a "serious disregard" for the safety of others should receive more severe penalties.

Previously judges had to act based on previous case law, and there were concerns that this meant that the worst offenders were not being given enough prison time.

Under the new guidelines offenders will be sentenced more harshly where they were motivated by financial gain, when they knew that their actions were likely to cause harm or if they were in a "dominant role", if they had acted alongside others.

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 13:36

Thats a big change.

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 13:38

Mrs Hoolies Thanks for your DH.

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 14:47

Guardian article on the problem with the flats in Southwark . Same ones mentioned by the Radical Housing Network.

Includes video and pictures of huge cracks.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/04/london-tower-block-residents-accuse-council-of-neglecting-fire-risks?CMP=share_btn_tw

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2017 16:59

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fraud-squad-probe-into-grenfell-tower-fire-alarms-firm-a3579206.html
Fraud squad probe into Grenfell Tower fire alarms firm
EXCLUSIVE: firm responsible for tower'sfire alarms facing accusations it installed defective equipment in HUNDREDS of properties

Housing services company Lakehouse is at the centre of a fraud inquiry after a three-year investigation by police and Hackney Council relating to a £184 million government grant to renovate council properties and install fire and smoke alarms and emergency lighting.

The company was identified by the Standard last week as the contractor responsible for testing and maintaining the fire alarms at Grenfell Tower, which some surviving residents claimed failed to go off in the tragic blaze.

Ten people have been arrested by police after Hackney Council received allegations of “fraud and overcharging” from whistleblowers.

Further investigation revealed some of the fire safety work was “defective, including incorrectly installed alarms and emergency lighting systems”. Lakehouse denies any wrong-doing.

The council has now written to 166 town hall chief executives warning them to check work done by Lakehouse and subcontractor Polyteck in case more homes could be at risk.

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 20:38

Christ almighty.

Its just layer after layer of incompetence and as many ways as they can think of to make money out of social housing tenants.

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 21:40

Latest Grenfell Action Group blog post.

grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/grenfell-tower-public-inquiry/

HelenaDove · 04/07/2017 22:35

Being a single parent in Hyde Housing.

"Feel totally let down and frustrated. When I moved into the home that I live in now, it was owned by sovereign housing association. It has had a couple of take overs, and it's now owned by The Hyde Group. It seems that the more take overs, the more I am responsible for. I pay rent to a landlord who is willing to do less and less in their own property! Not just this, but whenever I manage to have a repair that they ARE willing to do, as I'm a working single parent, bringing up a 9 year old, they can't support me at all by arranging a repair when I can be home! It's absolutely impossible for me to take days off in term time as I work in a school. I CAN manage to get home at 4pm, but i always get told this is no good, and can't I get someone to sit in the house for me?!! No!!! I can't! Imagine that for a second if you will. I have NO support network that can come and sit in my house, no landlord willing to see that I have no support network, and therefore no way of getting repairs done when they're needed! I tried having a bath this morning and my hot tap won't turn on properly. Had about 3 inches of water in the end before it started running cold. Will be the same tonight, and tomorrow morning if not worse. Phoned housing to be asked havent I got someone that can come and look at it as it's not their responsibility?! No, I haven't! Thanks Hyde Group, for nothing!!!"

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