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London Fire: Grenfell Tower thread five

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RhythmAndStealth · 20/06/2017 17:14

RIP Flowers

Five victims officially named Flowers
At least 79 victims expected, possibly more Flowers
Many displaced and struggling Flowers

To all those affected and all those helping Flowers

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HelenaDove · 30/06/2017 21:57

stopfucking i reckon its like mrs glow said. It could involve the amount being readjusted and more red tape for the tenants. We live in the digital age. Surely it should be better than this.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 30/06/2017 21:58

I can see that slot of people are normal social workers and civil setvabts who are overwhelmed

But at least to listen to people , to stay in communication , to be honest

That's cheap

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2017 22:00

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-sadiq-khan-demands-theresa-may-lets-commissioners-take-over-crisishit-council-a3577441.html
Grenfell Tower: Sadiq Khan demands Theresa May lets commissioners take over crisis-hit council

London mayor Sadiq Khan has called for commissioners "untainted" by failings in the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower disaster to take over the running of the council.

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Mr Khan said changing the leadership from within the existing members of Kensington and Chelsea council would not address the "fundamental breakdown in trust that has taken place".

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"Without this trust, the council cannot effectively serve them or meet its responsibilities. It is also clear that a change in leadership from amongst the existing councillors will not address this situation - in fact it may aggravate it further, as it fails to address the fundamental breakdown in trust that has taken place.

"Therefore, I believe the Government has no option but to immediately appoint commissioners to take over the running of Kensington and Chelsea council until the residents of the borough can choose, at next May's council elections, who they wish to represent and serve them.

Khan's words are strong. They hint at misconduct by the council.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 30/06/2017 22:03

Its chaotic and full of human error

For example use the money for therapists, don't ask for volunteers pay for some good ones

Use the money for children's group therapy and some help for them

Pay for a multi lingual coordinator

Ensure that the council support their staff as some lower levels must be not coping either , people who work for council housing aren't that well paid and are often in HA themselves

Ahh ! I went to help them project manage some of this

mrsglowglow · 30/06/2017 22:06

I agree with Sadiq Khan.

HelenaDove · 30/06/2017 22:11

I agree with Khan too. The council and TMO cannot expect tenants to trust them because the ill treatment of the tenants goes back years.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 30/06/2017 22:14

He is right

HelenaDove · 30/06/2017 23:09

Apparently now Gov. experts are saying that removing cladding from some of the buildings could do more harm than good. Confused

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2017 23:26

Oh yeah. I'm sure I'd feel that way living in a bacofoil wrapped building.

Whether it's does more harm than good is beside the point. The public have lost confidence in such cladding.

HelenaDove · 01/07/2017 01:23

camdennewjournal.com/article/chalcotsriskfirm

HelenaDove · 01/07/2017 02:05

www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1447/news

HelenaDove · 01/07/2017 02:08

From the Private Eye article.

"The watchdog that didn’t bark

LOOKING exposed following the Grenfell tragedy is the Homes and Communities Agency (HCA), the regulator that deals with complaints from tenants against social housing landlords and which is meant to monitor the landlords’ performance, financial control and services.

Within a year of coming into existence in April 2012, the HCA, which replaced the Tenants Services Authority after it was abolished as part of austerity cuts, faced fierce criticism from individual tenants, tenant groups and MPs, all of whom claim it is toothless.

The criticism arose because of the way the HCA decided to interpret its remit, which was only to investigate complaints against social housing landlords when there was “serious detriment”, which the HCA failed to define.

In 2013 the Commons communities and local government committee reviewed the HCA’s work and complained that it had “interpreted its remit as narrowly as possible” and was failing to “discharge its responsibilities as we would expect”. In fact, the HCA managed to avoid doing very much at all, save finding reasons that complaints against landlords should not be pursued. Presumably this wasn’t the intention when it was created, but nothing has changed since.

Clearly, the risk of a fatal fire should have met even the HCA’s “serious detriment” criteria, so the question is whether the HCA was told of the fire safety risk that tenants living in Grenfell Tower had complained about for years. The HCA should certainly have known about those concerns, because one man sits on the boards of both the HCA and the Kensington & Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (TMO). Step forward ex-property developer Anthony Preiskel, who last July attended a TMO board meeting at which fire safety concerns were discussed.

At that meeting the board agreed that as part of its health and safety action plan it should “extend the fire safety approach adopted at Grenfell Tower to all major works projects”. Heaven help the tenants"

mrsglowglow · 01/07/2017 08:26

I've been reading headlines from all over saying the scope of the inquiry is too narrow and will not give the residents the answers they need. What I don't understand is why has the government not come out and said why not. The inquiry has been set up by the government. They set out the scope and the terms. Why is it to be so narrow as the judge has implied? What is stopping the government from saying 'the inquiry must cover ...'

One of the saddest things about the Hillsborough inquiry is that family members who spent years fighting never lived to see the final outcome. Even yet we are still probably years off from anyone being sent to prison for the killing of all the innocent fans and probably more family members may never live to see that day.

mrsglowglow · 01/07/2017 08:43

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=121610458440680&id=114927232442336

Very powerful speech that really tells what the living hell the survivors are dealing with.

Lucysky2017 · 01/07/2017 08:50

The state is utterly useless at so much. What a mess.

mrsglowglow · 01/07/2017 09:04

Yes Lucy it is useless as this episode is proving. It was said earlier in this thread that we in the UK have a certain arrogance believing we are the civilised and capable nation. I myself am guilty of it. When tragedies occur in other parts of the world, earthquakes, tsunamis, I would sit and think how lucky I am to live in a country with such good infrastructure and authorities. Ha not now.

user1497863568 · 01/07/2017 09:29

How ling has Mr Preiskel been on the board of both the HCA and KCTMO? Did he have any influence over who got the contracts?

user1497863568 · 01/07/2017 09:32

Ok, just googled it myself and he's been on the board of HCA since 2012 and KCTMO since 2011. Around the same time as the Grenfell Action group was formed (2011). He has resigned from 268 companies in his career!

user1497863568 · 01/07/2017 09:35

Sorry, resigned from 210 (still!!), 56 were closed because the companies were dissolved and he is still director of 2.

companycheck.co.uk/director/903655193/MR-ANTHONY-ALEXANDER-PREISKEL/summary

woman12345 · 01/07/2017 09:37

Freemasons?

HandbagKrabby · 01/07/2017 09:58

It's about time all these fuckwits started resigning. It lays waste to the idea that rich, posh people continue to be rich and posh and in charge because they are just better at these things that the rest of us. I dread to think how many of these people are quietly fucking up everything they can get their mits on through their incompetence and arrogance.

It's also a massive conflict of interest to have property developers on the boards of housing associations and homelessness charities. I feel as a nation we've just sleepwalked into a total mess. I blame politicians pandering to selfishness in the electorate and having no morals and austerity stopping people thinking about the bigger picture because they are too busy trying to survive.

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