CROWDS going into KENSINGTON TOWN HALL ..... BBC NEWS now

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They were outside but now the crowds have all entered the civic centre town hall

I am not surprised that this is happening

@LaurieFairyCake I really do agree. It's all so bloody awful on every level.

I agree, StealthPolarBear* but it would be outrageous and completely crass of unaffected members of the public to do anything right not to distract or deflect attention and resources away from where it's needed - to the people who were affected.

We shouldn't be willing to accept any old response which is why there needs to be a proper investigation otherwise the council will be 'busy fools' in a kneejerk reaction, ploughing money where it's not effective. There needs to be a proper, workable plan to make sure that this is a one-off isolated tragedy.

There are no positives from this, none at all, people have died but, if there is any kind of 'chink' it is in the scale of the tragedy itself. It cannot be ignored now whereas a minor incident would not be raising the questions and the demand for answers that there is now.

Poor, poor people - and their poor families. It's truly heartbreaking and the priority right now has to be on them - giving them a 'place', even if it's temporary, so that they have time to regroup with their loved ones and come to terms with what has happened.

The public at large is just not a priority right now. They aren't, however much we might like to think we are. Let the official organisations do their jobs!

They are interviewing people now, while others shove their way into the back of the shot with their Socialist Workers Party placards

The right wing press, Hopkins et al are going to be ALL over this, dismissing it as a cover for their communist activities and therefore time for the sympathy to stop

That's their MO, and it's what the Daily Mail readership swallow hook, line and sinker

I wonder how many live in similar blocks and are demanding answers

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@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

Are you sure you don't want to set up your own political party? I'd still vote for you in a heartbeat ;)

Mounted police patrolling their civil services from attack from their own civilians looks unrestfull.
Just like the strikes in the 80's.

Draylon, the. £10m was about companies making money of course. What did you think it was for?

Does civil unrest mean violence?
If it does I agree it's not the answer. But unrest as in an unwillingness to accept the authority response, to be active about what is needed rather than passive, to effect change, that is definitely needed.

Stealth, I agree with you but if reports of a "mob" response are true then the violence will target our already over-stretched Police force and they along with the emergency services will bare the brunt of people's pain and anger.

What a god-awful fucking hideous situation. Those poor family's. It doesn't bear thinking about.

No decent person gives a fuck what the DM and Katie Hopkins think.

I thought Hopkins was gone. If she was still around I thought she'd have said something appropriate crass and hate filled by now

I agree Draylon there was a massive police and security presence.

Yes agree Welsh. I don't know what the answer is

I'm sure the fire brigade told people to return to their flats on the understanding that the flats were built with proper fire protection.
I can't believe they would have done so if they knew what would happen.

Ah Hodge, thank you again but sadly I think I'd be rubbish at it. :)

Many people here just don't get it. You can write to your mp til your hand drops off, attend countless meetings, and you just get fobbed off. Direct action can take very many forms that don't involve violence, that results in positive ends.

But, I am worried, it feels like this could escalate and riots are just a disaster. What a bloody mess we are all in. This is what happens when you just ignore peoples needs and tell them austerity means tough choices, while your friends get richer.

The problem is, even if a large group assembled, quietly, calmly, respectfully, say holding phone torches as candles etc. then it would be described as a mob.

Plus if they wait 27 years like Hillsborough to release their findings and say how many factors were at fault and how much disinformation was reported people will have lost some of their anger, feel impotent, or have died.

In 27 years I will be dead. It is DELIBERATE that the ones with capital or credibility to lose would want this to take a long time.

Anyone with trust in the 'authorities' needs to question where they're getting that idea from.

Worship thank you.

Just a few days prior to this disaster I took someone to task for a ridiculous Facebook meme that implied that by taxing the rich to aid the poor you were giving the poor no incentive to work their way out of poverty... I'm astounded that such Victorian values still exist, let alone are so prevalent.

It's kind of the utter truth of politics/leadership/power, isn't it @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe
Anyone who is a decent enough human being to be good at it probably doesn't think they're right for it. THose who actively seek it are probably the last people who should have it.

To those saying how can they expect answers from the council when all the bodies haven't been recovered yet: the council must know how many people lived in the tower. We know how many got out, so it wouldn't be hard to work out how many fatalities we may be looking at. People have been crying out 'not 17'. They don't want the true numbers to be kept a secret for months or years in the hopes that the public will have forgotten about it.

There were 120 flats in the building. It seems about 100 people have been accounted for. There must be well over 100 bodies still in the tower, maybe even close to 200. Surely the council can tell us how many people lived there.

They've nothing left...... they are still sleeping on the floor.
Yet within walking distance is immense waste. Empty space.
I'd be a bit fucking loud too.

Wait until next week when all these minimum wage and migrant workers are missed from their jobs.