Sally Clarke has died....

[ZZMum]

Poor poor woman... how awful for her family after all they went thru...

Also Caligula your last post demomstrates that you have not followed my arguement.

You say 'show a serious problem with the medical profession's attitude to women.'

I am bored of repeating myself but will do as you have not attended to my central points; there may be problems with attitudes to women in the medical profession and other insdtitutuns, but I do not believe that all the discrimaination can be but down to a basic motivation of hatred of women.

See my earlier posts for all the other rasons I suggest for these 'serious problems' and discrimatiion to occur.

Again I think you are using misogyny interchnagably with discrimination and that is incorrect. misogyny drescribes the motivation and not the act of discrimination as you apply it.

The fact you contiue to argue the same point in the samw way suggests to me you have eithet ignored or misunderstood the central element of my argument.

Which is; that to suggest discrimaination of women is motuavted by hatred is over simplistic, ignores many complexties, and therefore in itself potentially damaging.

In fact to suggest that any discrimaination of any group is motivation by one extreme emotion is to me lucucriously simplistic and missess all the complexties of human socialisation, emotion and interaction.

She's dead. The babies are dead. That's it. Innocent or guilty. It is all over.

Expat,

I called myself Psycho as I'm a Psychologist(yes, really)

But I like the wild scary off the wall implication to it also.

I've had a few names over my time.

But am liking this one

Can you take the arguing (debate?) to another thread where more people would see the header and join in, please?

How would you title it Hunk?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh: who said anything about "all discrimination"

Who cares if it's "all" anyway? Just a smidgeon is enough to jail innocent women and that's enough.

No-one is suggesting that doctors, lawyers etc. are motivated only by one feeling. Just that that one feeling which permeates the environment in which they work, is part of it. And a jolly important part.

FGS. Stop accusing everyone of not reading your posts properly. I'm reading them, I'm just bored of them, and I think you're being pedantic and simplistic. Please clarify just one thing for me: do you recognise that it is possible to have an institutionally mysogynist structure, in the same way that it is possible to have an institutionally racist/ sexist one?

Something like "Is misogny rife in the medical establishment that allowed Roy Meadows to flourish?"

(Hello, aol )

And I'm not using discrimination interchangeably with mysogynist.

I'm not i'm not i'm not.

I'm perfectly aware of the difference, I use mysogynist deliberately and correctly.

Please stop making me want to jump up and down at my computer.

à la Hunker

Hello!

I'm going to decline that Hunker as I'm all agrgued out.

When you find youtself saying 'see previous post'
you know it's time to leave it

and no one is listening.

I predict however just one big Mn jamboree of 'misysogny is rife' without anyone really daring to unpick that argument or delve any deeper.

Sadly.

By see previous post, I presume you're referring to yours of 10.39. It doesn't answer my direct question, unless I'm being thick. Do you think it's possible etc.

A straight yes or no would be perfectly adequate.

Well, now i have read the whole thread
Back to the OP
What a tragic waste of precious lives
Makes you realise how lucky you are

To answer your last question Caligula, yes I think it's possible but unlikely.

Obviously some organistionsare motivated by united hatred of one group such as the KKK, but on then whole I think institutional discrimination of women or race or whoever, has a more complex basis. I think humans and their interactions are more complex and have varied and more subtle motivations on the whole than hatred.

There's more likey to be an institutionally sexist organisation as that describes the discrimaination that goes on in the organisation and not the motivation behind it. As rascism does.

A racist organisation does not equate to a mysohynist one.Racism is describing the discrimination that goes on and not the motuivation which is likely to be varied and complex (yes with some hatred but not solely or exclusively)

To me your arguemnt seems to be that discrimaination of wowmen is motivated primarily by hatred. As I said, to suggest discrimaination of any group is motivated by one extreme emotion is to me lucucriously simplistic and missess all the complexties of human socialisation, emotion and interaction.

Fiar enough, that's clear. I'd like to make it clear that I don't believe all sexism is motivated by hatred of women. Will now move over to other thread.

Who what were when why?
God i wish i was clever

Fair enough.

Can I conclude that we have finally bored ourselevs and each other enough, to leave it

I will be gracious and admit i'm actually more bored of myself

Must now do soem work as a dodgy, 'unable to follow an argument' 'in denial' psychologist that I really am

Incidentally it was in interesting that many seemed to think that a psychologist shoul be more balnced and reasoned than any one lse.

Have you met any psychologists????

God yes the one I know is barking

There you go then

Mwah mwah kisses all round.

the psychologist who looked after my mum when she had the beginnings of dementia was as mad as a box of frogs. And had a terrible memory too.

Yes psycho, and I firmly believe that all psychologists are in fact lunatics

VVVQV - You ARE Tom Cruise!

You've lost me lapin......

Sobernow, its like criminologists, and psych profilers....to get into the mind of the killer, they've got to be on the edge in order to understand it....

Tom Cruise famously cticised Brooke Shields for having therapy when she had PND; as a Scientologist, he doesn't believe in psychology or psychiatry.

Possibly because Scientologists have programs of their own that you have to pay to undertake...