Margaret Fleming- missing for 17 years?!

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A woman with learning disabilities was reported missing 6 weeks ago, apparently after the DWP knocked on her door.

She lived with 2 carers and was reported to be a recluse.

But now it is being reported that no one else has seen her since 1999 and the police are digging up the garden.

I know mn has rules about not speculating but

Look Inside the saucepan in the pic of him in the kitchen ......yes it looks like dolls or maybe an ornament of a man and woman having sex I think it's looks really creepy. Why is it there ? it's like he's looking at it!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-41542875 sorry this is the link that has the weird kitchen pic it's the fifth pic down.

Actually just looking again I don't think it is the kitchen I think that's the French doors in the background and all the stuff is on the floor. Wasn't tha Margaret's room the one at the back with all the stuff in it ?

There are lots of other people like Margaret Fleming who just haven't made the national news- You can see a new batch every time you attend safeguarding training.

The people who are most disabled will have a care manager/ social worker. (These will be stretched thin and overworked so that they really only have time to deal with people in crisis most of the time. They are also moved around within the county to avoid forming attachments-it's easier to cut someone's budget if you aren't the person who initially assessed them.)

But plenty of people are unable to work because of a mild-ish learning disability that was diagnosed in childhood. They will have a "lifetime" DLA award and maybe ESA. But if their IQ is over 70 (think global delay or ASD) they will have absolutely no input from social services as an adult.

A housing officer may set them up in a bedsit with housing and council tax benefits automatically covering rent- and then that's it. If they have no family, no one will be checking up on them. I've seen people with no ability to cook or clean for themselves having to sleep on the floor because "friends" move in and deal drugs from the flat. Doorstep lenders turn up and ask if they want £1000 and then come back weekly to take cash from them at extortionate interest rates. The problem is huge and largely unseen.

Yes I think that's Margaret's room that had the window removed to gain access by the police.

Is there any new news on this? I cant stop thinking about her

No news and as another poster has said this is probably a lot more common than any of us realise. Which is truly depressing.
I think we can all reach our own conclusions on what went on here but how it was able to happen needs to be addressed.

I agree that there are a lot of people who fall between the severe mental handicap (or whatever the current trendy name for this is) level that the mental handicap psychiatric team and SS will help with and who get extra help from social services to be looked after in the community and those who cope with independent living. People with poor literacy and problem solving skills and low but not low enough IQ are badly served by our society and if family or "carers (who may not be that caring but no-one checks up on them) will step in the state steps back. The jobs making furniture and gardening etc that people with learning difficulties (I hate that term as it also encompasses dyslexia and ADHD and aspergers folk who have different needs to those with low IQ who will always struggle with learning regardless of how many pills and psychologists you throw at them) used to do have had their funding withdrawn. It sounds as though this lass needed that not creepy carers.

Someone who was able enough to go to college is unlikely to have an allocated sw

I read that Avril googled 'missing persons' 4/5 years ago which is odd.

There are also rumours that they weren't part of their community- all goods/shopping home delivered etc.

Sounds like they were quite reclusive as far as their local area was concerned but they did travel for holidays. And they do have immediate neighbours who you would imagine would have seen margaret coming/going from the house at times if she was living there. Which of course she wasn't.

I remember reading about this on Websleuths quite a while back. The supposed carer couple went on lengthy holidays several times a year (he's a diver with a boat) with friends who, when asked, claimed they'd never heard them mention Margaret. I don't know if it was the holiday friends or a different couple who visited the house at times and again, had never heard of Margaret never mind any evidence of another adult in the house.

Margaret became estranged from her mother and grandparents soon after moving in with the couple. It makes you wonder exactly what caused the breakdown of all of those family relationships to such an extent.

It's so incredibly sad. A young woman vanishes and it seems no-one outside of that house knew she existed in the first place. Yes some people can be very reclusive but here is a vulnerable youngster (18 when last seen?) who has fallen through every crack in every system. Poor Margaret. And how many others are out there?

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/315355/delivery-driver-spent-years-dropping-off-chinese-meals-for-the-couple-missing-margaret-fleming-lived-with-and-never-saw-her/

Don't understand how the driver said they ordered food for two...but then said he teased her about how much food it was!!

It’s just come up in my news feed that the carers have been detained.

Yes, just saw that. BBC not saying for which offence yet.

That comes as no shock after that ridiculous interview they did.

It’s the DM but... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5020781/Two-held-sinister-missing-person-Margaret-Fleming.html

I wonder what they’ll be charged with in court today.

Thank goodness for some progress.

It's so desperately sad that Margaret just disappeared and that that wasn't noticed for 19 years.

Hopefully the truth will now come out.

Atast! I do hope they find her body

Margaret flemings carers have been charged with her murder stv.tv/news/west-central/1400893-carers-of-missing-margaret-fleming-appear-in-court/

They've been charged with murder. Can't say I'm surprised. Just hope they find her body.

Hopefully it's a strong case.