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Pann · 08/02/2007 23:34

Steady, eh? Hope we are not recommeding further lawless torture inflicted by the more powerful in a secretive, hidden space??

snig · 09/02/2007 00:35

i haven't read this whole thead as am tired and am gonna go to bed but i too am not a flog em type person but the first thoughts that came into my mind was that they should be sterilised, fuck their human rights fuckin sterilise the c**nts so that when they do get out they will never be able to have kids.

BassMama · 09/02/2007 00:37

Pann - yeah I am. dont tell me they dont deserve it.

SparklyGothKat · 09/02/2007 00:44

OMG, thats terrible I have 2 children with CP and they are my world, how can anyone do that...

mysonsmummy · 09/02/2007 00:45

the judge said they would never be able to care for children again.

they will probably spend their sentance in a cushy little wing away from the other prisioners. which will cost even more money than throwing them to the wolves. but they always get to them somehow - usually with the screw letting them 'by mistake'

macneil · 09/02/2007 07:34

Everyone with children tells everyone without children that when you have children you suddenly can't read anything about children being hurt. Everyone without children is like, yeah right. Well, I have an eight week old daughter and I'm on the other side now, and when I read this story I felt an absolute physical lurch, in my head, in my stomach, I want to cry, I don't want to and can't bear to think about it but can't stop. [This is the second time in two days I've felt like this - I saw a war film yesterday with a bit where a soldier finds a tiny baby in a cupboard after shooting his family, and sticks his dummy back in.] I don't like feeling like this. It's not like I was okay with stories like this before, but now there's a physical response and it's awful. I just keep thinking, there must be other people like that, what if it's happening somewhere else to another little child?

FioFio · 09/02/2007 07:41

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IntergalacticWalrus · 09/02/2007 07:50

I saw this on the news last night, and I cried all the way to work.

That couple can only be described as fucking scum.

lazyline · 09/02/2007 08:18

It's the conspiring thing that I don't understand. Two people, deciding that what the other is doing is okay and continuing on with it....

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 08:32

I keep looking at Harold (ds3, Asd,) and thinking- !!!!!!

Callisto · 09/02/2007 08:49

Ok I read the article last night and meant to post then but didn't so I may have this wrong (and I don't want to re-read as it is too upsetting) but...

In the article it stated that SS had removed the little girl and she was about to be fostered but then someone made the decision to return her to her parents (not that they deserve to be called that). So firstly why was an at risk child returned to her abusive parents and secondly were there no home visits to check she was ok?

I am not SS bashing here but it seems that the social worker in charge of this case has failed monumentally in his/her duty to this child. Especially as the child has CP and no way of defending herself or telling anyone what was happening.

(Macneil - I had a double whammy yesterday as I read this article and then read in the paper a couple of hours later about a hideous case of hardcore child porn. It made me want to take my dd and go live on an uninhabited island somewhere.)

Hulababy · 09/02/2007 08:57

Hopefully they will do their full sentence, with other prisoners around and aware (these things always come out IME) of what thy have done. I suspect their life in prison will not be a nice time at all. They will only be segregated if they become at risk themselves, so not straight away and not for long periods of time. TBH, from what I gather, the woman, in a woman's prison, is likely to suffer the most.

OrmIrian · 09/02/2007 10:13

macneil - you are so right. Before kids I used to be sad and shocked when I heard about children being hurt but it was more of a conventional reaction because that was what you were supposed to feel. Now it's a visceral reaction - a real physical pain. And you have to partly shut it because if you don't you'd go mad I think.

expatinscotland · 09/02/2007 10:47

This story still makes me so sad, especially as a mother of a child w/SN.

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 10:51

SS didnt make the decision to return the kids, the courts did unfortunaely, despite the foster parents trying to prevent it

They also (SS) tried repeatedly to get access to the child but couldn't, I think they did try this time. It was over a relatively short period from what I can gather- thank goodness she was removed when she was

GrumpyOldHorsewoman · 09/02/2007 10:55

I don't know the whole story, because I just can't bring myself to read it. But I have heard more than I wanted to. I agree that having your own children makes it so much harder to come to terms with how wicked some people can be. I see my DDs in every other child, and it sickens me when anyone tries to hurt them. I just hope they are put in with the general population in prison, and no special treatment to protect them. Evil bastards

Callisto · 09/02/2007 10:56

Only seven weeks, I think. Though how long must that seven weeks have seemed to the little girl?

kittylette · 09/02/2007 10:57

i could kill people like this, that poor, poor child

Callisto · 09/02/2007 10:58

Peachy - surely with an at risk child SS can demand to see that child? Surely they don't have to wait for a court order or anything?

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 10:59

Its far too long, of course- but it could have been longer.

Apparently every time the SS called the father was apparently out with the child- having worked in an allied role your options are severly limted in those circumstances. They did call 5 times in 8 days (or so I saw the SS sayng on news) so they tried not to abandon her I guess.

The reality imo is that there are two people at fault here: Muma nd Dad. may they be in prison for ever.

Callisto · 09/02/2007 11:01

Well five times in eight days is okish but five times in seven weeks is pretty bad.

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 11:02

Callisto I honestly don't know, the Social Services aldy said every time they turned up the Mum aid dad had taken the child out for the day. How do you demand to see a child in those circumstances? Bar sitting on the doorstep- and then what vunerable child do you not visit in order to do that?

I would have thought in the circumstances a court order could have been obtained, but if there was no actual report of abuse- it took the Grandmother to complain and then I guess they ahd the material for removal.

The system is crap, I don't deny that, but most social workers ime do their best and I've been in situations where we can see kids are clearly better off out but we dont have the ability to remove for various reasons.

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 11:03

I agree callisto about 5 times- I think they said they did have access to her outside that time bracket, I hope to god they did.

Callisto · 09/02/2007 11:07

Sorry Peachy, I know you don't have the answers and I know that we will never know the real truth. I guess like everyone here I am scrabbling around asking 'why was it allowed to happen'. I hate all crimes against vulnerable people and when the vulnerable person is a child with CP I just feel so helpless and sad and furious.

PeachyClair · 09/02/2007 11:11

Oh I know, having 2 of mne with SN I just cant get it. I know SN kids cn be demanding and I know of situations where parents have cracked under the pressure which I can kinda see if not sympathise with, (and the aprents have been devastated after)-but this sort of sustained torture in inexplicable. Frankly I'd be concerned if I could understand it!