Three police officers shot dead in Dallas.

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BBC link Blimey. I'm shocked but not really surprised as American police shot (apparently) 506 people to death in 2015, and another two this week.

But hey, good guys with guns will always stop bad people with guns killing good people, if the NRA are to be believed...

Sorry not to have been back till now but I have to work to put food in my massive piehole.

So the police have three suspects under arrest and have killed one in an astonishingly vile way. They blew him up. They sent in a bomb disposal robot loaded with explosives, got it to leave them near him and pushed a button to execute him. They had him surrounded in an enclosed space, all they had to do was wait for him to run out of food and water. This was done for no reason other than revenge/retribution and as such should be seen as murder. There was no need to kill the man, he should've been put in front of a jury.

The Washington Post Fatal Force blog shows how many people are killed by the police. 984 in 2015, and, according to PM, 509 so far this year. Black people make up 60% of those killed by the police, yet they are only 13% of the population of the US.

Some questions for our American friend chilledwarmth: Switzerland has a higher per capita possession of guns yet near zero gun crimes. Why is that? Norway's police are all armed, yet the';ve only shot one person dead in years. This is despite Anders Breyvik killing nearly 70 people in one mass spree killing. Why is that?

I can't seem to find this online and wondered if anyone knows how many police shootings of black people in the USA have been found to be unlawful killing or outright murder? I don't mean where it's claimed this is the case, but where it's actually been proved that it was

I'm genuinely not making and judgments either way as obviously I've not been present at any of them, but as I said, I can't source the stats ...

Jo Cox was killed with an illegal weapon. That's not a problem with our gun laws.

In America, there are massacres with weapons which are perfectly legal. That's the problem with their gun laws.

I can't do links. Can anyone find the video where a black man was pulled over and was shot in the back while running away from the police office? The officer dropped a weapon next to him and claimed he tried to attack him. It was on a documentary a few weeks ago.

That is one of many examples of the police murdering innocent black people chilled. Can't believe you genuinely believe there is no evidence of this?

Mrshardy, i have seen that Video. I saw it on BBC 3 online as part of a documentary.

For the people saying that there are more white People killed than black, do you also know that the datas floating around is actually collected by people and it's not from the police departments itself. Basically, the us police departments do not keep data of how many people the police shoot but they keep data of how many police is shot each year

Secondly, as it's already been explained, you still have to workout how many black people compared to white vs the population of each group.

The numbers of people shot by the police and the data collected by the guardian may also have a lot of discrepancies.
1- how many people actually read the guardian to know they are collecting the data?
2- how many people are bothered to fill in the forms to say they know someone who was shot by police that year in order for it to be investigated?
3- how many people actually die in the hands of the police without people actually knowing, possibly becoming missing person and later found dead?

Hey creighton a lot of people who are anti gun say the same "you will just be killed with your own gun". You obviously think I'd just hand over my gun or something and allow it to happen. The only way that could happen is if the mugger specifically went for my gun and overpowered me. If a mugger is specifically interested in using any weapon I have to further harm me rather than just steal from me, I think he'd find a way to harm me gun or no gun so that possiblity doesn't worry me.

Hey noble, expanding on what you said every time a shooting happens it is usually in an area where people aren't actually allowed to carry a gun. That means everyone who has one at that place is doing it illegally. If what you say is true about illegal guns not being a gun law issue then those shootings can't be a problem with our laws either. It was illegal for that guy to shoot and stab your politician to death, it's also illegal to go into schools or other public places and kill people.

It's a lot easier to keep guns out of places where guns aren't allowed if people aren't allowed guns.

Correction, it's easier to keep the guns of law abiding people out of those places if people just aren't allowed them. A criminal takes a gun into somewhere he isn't allowed one, your solution is to say he isn't allowed that gun anywhere else, why would he now obey that law when he hasn't before?

All of your criminals are armed. Most of ours aren't. You're pretty much handing guns to people you know will not obey the law. Utterly stupid.

Much less risky to not sell guns, and make them hard to acquire.

Hey chilled, you're totally right. The world would be a much better place if we all legalized guns .

That's not true, many of our criminals are unarmed for various reasons. Could be from they are unable to get their hands on a weapon legally and don't have the connections to get one illegally, or they fear the increased punishment if they are caught using a weapon in a crime. It's rather quaint you seem to have a picture of every mugger in America being armed to the teeth.

By the way my gun isn't just to protect against other people with a gun. So even if you could present a guaranteed way of preventing any criminal getting a gun, your argument that I no longer need one would be incorrect as the threat of criminals with other weapons or even just using their fists would still exist. Can you guarantee I will never need to protect myself? If you can do that I'll surrender my gun on the spot.

If you want to protect yourself against someone hitting you, why not just carry pepper spray?

You know then you wouldn't have to worry about the safety aspects of having a lethal weapon knocking around the house/on your person.

The simple fact that you live in a place that allows you to carry a gun puts you at more risk of gun crime.

It's just my choice. My first girlfriend didn't like the idea of having a gun but she still wanted to be able to protect herself against an attacker so she carried pepper spray. I hear this is common in European countries where carrying a gun is out of the question but people still want to have a means of protection which isn't simply call 911 and pray that a police officer is close to your location.

Police don't usually carry guns either. You might be surprised at how rare it is to see them in the UK.

I would feel way less safe at having more guns around.

What I don't get is that a great many of the U.S Police forces are black. So what's is their take on all of this? Whilst I agree these killings are racist in intent and utterly disgraceful.

We mustn't forget that it can't be very nice having to chase down those gunshots going off in those virtual no go areas you get in Inner City America. Everyone has a gun so its unsurprising the police are incredibly jumpy. A change in the gun laws is the only answer IMO.

Actually it's not a lot who are black. The percentage is around 12%.

Yes the black police officers do speak up.

Maybe you should watch the second video on the link provided.

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Quota-Police-New-York-City-NYPD-Investigation-Arrest-385039701.html

But then that number of Black police is representative of the Black pop' in America, which is about 12.3%.

Obviously just 1 is too many and totally abhorrent but White Police killing innocent black people is still rare.

No, it's not rare at all. Do you know how many people are killed by police officers in the UK at all?

So few that their names can be listed on a brief Wikipedia page:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom

Compare to the US where more than 500 have been killed by police officers in 2016 so far:
www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016

Your idea of what is rare, for someone in the UK is just totally insane.

Yes more than 500 and 137 were black, I read. The circumstances vary... That's an incredibly high number I agree. But considering In 2011 (the latest year for which detailed statistics are available) there were some 8,583 deaths caused by firearms in the U.S. It is still statistically quite rare. No less terrible I hasten to add, but rare.

I really dont want to get into a row about data with you on this. I couldn't imagine anything more dull.

My point is that whilst I agree fully with the protesters against this appalling number of Police killings of innocent black people. I would like to see as many people protesting and taking action about the enormous amount of black people killed by other black people as well.

Yes there is an issue with black people killing black people. There are lots of different issues in this world.

However when black man A kills black man B he goes to jail.
When police man A kills black man B with witnesses and video evidence, he gets sent home on paid leave, not convicted before going back to his job.

"An issue"? F*ing hell ~ I'll say there is. Thousands of 'issues'... Personally I'd like to see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson-style calls for “justice” for children like 9yo's Tyshawn Lee and Jameela Bouton, to name but 2 innocent children deliberately murdered (in Tyshawn's case) as well as the countless killings of other innocent black people at the hands of black killers. I'd like to see the BLM lot out there with their banners for those people as well.

The Police in the U.S have an extremely dangerous job. As I said before, I certainly wouldn't want to have to chase down these gun battles that go off in these appalling, no-go, inner-city ghettos, that no one in their right mind would set foot in, would you? But they have to, it's their job. The Police get guns pulled on them and fired at constantly in the execution of search warrants etc. In fact given the amount of gun violence and the ubiquity of guns in America I'm surprised there aren't more deaths at the hands of the Police. I am, I hasten to add, I'm not trying to justify the latest innocent black man shot dead by a white police officer. But Police chase and shoot dead, unarmed white people too, we just don't hear about them.

We aren't talking about white people.
We are talking about black people being killed by the police.
If you want a discussion about all the other things that black people are doing wrong or white people being killed by police then feel free to do so on another thread.

Amen to this young man. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 super this one will be good for you.
One of the best explanations I have watched that talks about black on black crimes vs police shootings vs blacklivesmatter vs any other lives for that matter.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpVZzQEKs9g&feature=youtu.be&a=

My niece is a firefighter in the states and she's been shot at when attending incidents. Guns in the US are just at madness level.

We're, at least you are, talking about white people as killers, are you not. So we are talking about white people. Sorry if that doesn't suit you Vixx . Freedom of expression and all that.

Of course they are original and laying all the blame at the door of the Police for the killing is delusional. Yes they are a part of the growing numbers of those doing the killing. But in an environment where Gun crime is at such ludicrously high levels, it would be difficult to imagine there were not. As for robbing people of their lives. Turn your eyes to your own communities young man to see way more innocent folks robbed of their lives, including small children deliberately murdered in revenge attacks. People need to stop killing each other generally. The Police aren't out there for fun.