So will it be Free Movement or not?

[ChristineS]

Given that most Brexiters wanted reduced immigration, would it be a real stich-up if the powers that be go for a free trade deal that has to include continued free movement of people within the EU? I suspect that this will be the outcome. How would you feel about that?

[Hodooooooooor]

It's not up to Parliament to decide what it looks like, its for the rest of Europe, who aren't inclined to be generous now.

[scarlets]

Immigration is not an important topic for me with my cushy government job and house in a leafy suburb, but it is for a lot of voters and I'm unwilling to hector them. With a Gen Election almost certainly approaching, the Brexit committee/manifesto planners or whatever, need to be careful about immigration policy if they don't want their parties to find themselves in coalition talks with UKIP. If free movement from EU countries continues unabated we'll see Farage and his ilk in parliament. Grim. Points system could work, i guess.

[concertplayer]

Leave voters believe(d) that they can have the following
trading with the eu
immigration cuts/control
£55m per day for the Public services
the uk govt will continue the subsidies that the Eu were paying
(B Johnson etc promised Cornwall this )
more democracy
They are quite happy for big jobs (paying big income tax to be lost
as long as the Benefits are going to Uk citizens and not foreigners
This is what I have been able to gauge so far

[tilder]

Oh, so they wanted the moon on a stick. But look, the stick comes up a bit short and the moon is a bit far away.

FFS.

I keep telling myself keep out of it. Brexit won. This is democracy.

It's hard though. When all the bullshit spouted before the referendum comes home to roost and lands on all of us.

[Shariamom]

Freedom of movement must end. I'm sick of it riding roughshod over everything and dragging this country down.
This country is full up!
To ignore the democratic demand of the people is to court an uprising!

[lljkk]

Go for it Shariamom. Are you out on the streets of Uxbridge campaigning to recall Boris as the MP?

[Hodooooooooor]

Freedom of movement must end. I'm sick of it riding roughshod over everything and dragging this country down
How does it do that then? Details please, not racist ranting!

[FarAwayHills]

Freedom of movement works both ways and it will form part of any trade deal like it or not. Going forward I'm guessing that the only carrot they can offer is that the requirement to pay benefits to those from other EU countries will cease.

[Hodooooooooor]

Not much of a carrot. The requirement to pay benefits to Brits abroad will also cease.

[tabulahrasa]

"Freedom of movement must end"

So...what are you going to do about Northern Ireland then?

[OhtoblazeswithElvira]

So a new government will need to negotiate really hard for a couple of years on order to get us what we have now?

Words fail me.

[Hodooooooooor]

In order to get you LESS than you have now, in fact.

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

The requirement to pay benefits to those from other EU countries will cease.

It already has www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/14/uk-can-refuse-benefits-to-unemployed-eu-migrants-judges-rule

It happened before the referendum.

[ChristineS]

It seems to me that the leave side is totally split, with a large population wanting to end free movement, and an elite who want to keep free trade (which involves free movement), but who want powers to ignore EU legislation they don't like (such as workers rights for starters). This is not going to end well for anyone, and finding a member of the elite on the leave side who is spelling out this choice is almost impossible - they are hiding behind words like 'negotiations' and being really vague about free movement if they mention it at all.
It might be good all round if Northern Ireland votes to reunite with Ireland, so no wall would be needed. Can't see that happening though...

[Myosotisbleu]

The requirement to pay benefits to those from other EU countries will cease.

It already has //www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/14/uk-can-refuse-benefits-to-unemployed-eu-migrants-judges-rule

It happened before the referendum.

Indeed. However, these agreements have now been declared void as that was the deal Cameron had made with EU should UK choose to remain. Now that the referendum result is OUT, there won't be further negociations, except the ones to establish the new kind of relationship between UK and EU. Except it won't happen as no one is never going to be fool enough to trigger Article 50.

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

Nope that was a ruling of the European court. The case predated Cameron's negotiations.

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

^ so it stands. For the UK and other member states.

No doubt the leave canpaign will claim it as theirs though.

It will make sod all difference though as very few EU migrants claim unemployment benefits.

Big change small gain.

[GertrudeBelle]

The leave side is totally split. But one side has power, the other does not.

It is Boris who will set terms and negotiate. Nigel Farage has no control whatsoever. He can bleat all he likes but it makes no difference.

Free movement will be conceded in order to access the single market and Nige and the other racists can do nothing about it.

So yeah, if you thought you could vote Leave and stop immigration, you were absolutely wrong.

[PurpleTango]

I believe some - not all and I'm not going to quote "the majority" because we all know what will happen - people voted to leave because they want controlled borders for security reasons. I do not think they meant they want closed borders. If freedom of movement were allowed to continue I don't think they would be happy. In that case there would be no pint in leaving the UE surely?

[thecatfromjapan]

You know, I thought I'd followed the referendum quite closely BUT until today I didn't know about the promise that Boris Jonson promised that subsidies to Cornwall would continue. How did I miss that corker?

And it was only from Friday onwards that I realised some people believed some of the stuff he said. How did anyone think that the subsidies could continue?

Likewise the curbing immigration stuff.

It's occurred to me that he is like the world's worst Uncle: he comes to visit once in a blue moon; he's loads of fun - wow! He tells hilarious stories! He leads you in a wild game, jumping on sofas and building a den (with a real campfire!) in the sitting room, in consequence of which, several items of furniture and a valuable family painting are trashed; he pulls sweets from his pockets and does magic trips - then he sits you down, gazes into your eyes and tells you about how many amazing places he's going to take you to, describing them in such detail, you dream vividly of them for a whole week. And then he leaves, waving and bouncing and performing small acts of physical comedy until he's out of sight.

And you don't see him again. Perhaps for years. And when he next turns up ... he does it all over again.

Years later, when you're pretty jaded about 'Uncle Clown', your parents let slip that, each time he visited, he borrowed large sums of money from them.

I realise that this isn't, actually, a 'Boris Jonson is a wanker' thread but ... he so is. He is so, so, so badly in need of having that sodding bubble of 'scamp' 'charm' burst.

Wanker.

He should be nowhere near any position of responsibility. I wouldn't leave trust him to cat-sit my cats if I went on holiday, let alone the complex roles of governance and negotiation that lie ahead.

(I'm a Londoner. He was our Mayor for a bit.)

[thecatfromjapan]

and, of course, 'borrowed' should be in inverted commas.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Yes, that would have to be a wall

I'm sure the Leave campaign has already worked it out

Building a physical border would go down a treat in NI. Can't see any problems arising there. No siree.

[HeadDreamer]

You can have an Australia point based system. And award EU citizens and residents a special category visa. That's what kiwis get. There is already a precedent in Australia. Didn't they tell you?