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Winner of the Eurovision [title edited by MNHQ to remove spoiler]

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claig · 15/05/2016 00:05

I kick myself for not paying attention to it. Should have guessed that, could have possibly won some money at the bookies by backing it a few weeks ago.

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314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 10:11

From my Sofa in Dublin, I voted for the UK last year, it was a great song, I played it on youtube yesterday and my son was dancing around the room to it. This year Ireland weren't even in it so I did some yoga and watched a film with douglas henshall in it instead Grin
I had said even before I read that Ukraine won that we ought to start entering songs sung in Russian. Ireland once entered a Turkey (Dustin) . We definitely have the nerve to enter a song sung in Russian.

claig · 15/05/2016 10:15

' It is unlikely in the extreme that anyone in any position of power cares one jot about the outcome of Eurovision'

Of course they care because the people watch it. Why do you think Oxbridge David Cameron is probably reminded by Oxbridge wonks to write his favourite football team on the back of his hand as an aide-memoire? It goes beyond the referendum, just like the Austrian win did in 2014.

"David Cameron blames 'brain fade' for getting his football team wrong

Sports stars, politicians and football fans react with amused disbelief after PM says he supports West Ham United when he is in fact an Aston Villa fan"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/25/david-cameron-blames-brain-fade-for-getting-his-football-team-wrong

Popular spectacles are an important way of nfluencing the people and the wonks are well aware of it.

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claig · 15/05/2016 10:19

'English, like most of the songs.'

I thought it might have been because the lyrics in this one were important for all the European people to understand and take on board. If it was sung in Ukrainian, most of Europe would not have understood the message.

''They kill you all': why Ukrainian Eurovision winner, Jamala, angered Russia with her 1944 song '

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/05/11/jamalas-ukraine-eurovision-song-stirs-up-russia/

It was also called "1944" which takes us back to WWII and ties in with the presenters' statement of "wounds of war".

It splits Russia from the rest of Europe which is of course the agenda.

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314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 10:25

Wow. That's heavy.

That Swedish bloke, chester, he ought to long for the halcyon days when it was a kitsch show.

LunaLoveg00d · 15/05/2016 10:37

You really are reading FAR too much into this.

claig · 15/05/2016 10:38

When you have millions of people watching a concert, a TV programme, a football match or a spectacle, it is an opportunity too good to waste and is often never really kitsch.

I got it wrong, it wasn't Juncker who complained about Wogan's mockery, it was the Eurovision chief as 314InTheSkye says. By all accounts, according to Farage, Juncker is an alright guy with a sense of humour who likes a drink and a smoke and is someone Farage would prefer to have a drink and a laugh with than Cameron

"Swedish producer Christer Bjorkman singled out the much-loved presenter for criticism claiming his gentle mick-taking shattered the show’s credibility.
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“He raised a generation of viewers believing this was a fun kitsch show that had no relevance whatsoever."

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eurovision-chief-accuses-late-sir-7765652

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claig · 15/05/2016 10:40

'You really are reading FAR too much into this.'

I wish I had been farsighted enough to pay attention to the whole thing before it happened as it was an opportunity far good to waste to bet on as it was obvious what the wonks were up to.

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314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 10:52

Yes< i see what you mean, trojan agenda gets through kitsch a lot more easily. But Claig, if I were to have placed a bet this year, I would have put money on Britain doing well this year. But my mistake would have been thinking that the old countries Belgium, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Portugal, countries invested in to UK remaining in the EU had any sort of say in who wins!

The populations of Eastern Europe is so vast. The power of each country needs to be 'signed down' so that every country has the same power. ie, Kazikstan has no more power than Belgium. That is the way I'd like to see it managed.

claig · 15/05/2016 11:09

'if I were to have placed a bet this year, I would have put money on Britain doing well this year'

I agree that is why it is best not to bet in case you lose. But thinking about it, the EU bigwigs and menagerie of wonks on retainers who do their bidding know that the Britsh people have too much of a sense of humour to be influenced by this "spin" (and it angers their wonks that we are).

'“He raised a generation of viewers believing this was a fun kitsch show that had no relevance whatsoever."'

They want us to treat is as relevant and to have reverence for it in order to unite us as Europeans in a joint venture on a joint journey led by the bugwigs and spun by their wonks. But the British and the Irish share a common sense of irreverence and humour in the tradition of the great Irish Dave Allen and irish Terry Wogan and English Monty Python etc where we mock the "great and the good" and their attempts to spin us about what football team they support and that the Arctic Monkeys are their favourite band. These are the suggestions of the teenage wonks who think the people are stupid enough to fall for it. It wasn't Wogan who "raised" us with his mockery, because Wogan is a part of us, he is one of us and reflects our humour and that angers the wonks who try to fool us.

We are immune to their spin, theri whizzkids, their wonks and their Oxbridge Edstones and long may we remain independent and irreverent of the wonks, wastrels and whizzkids who try to spin us.

'The power of each country needs to be 'signed down' so that every country has the same power. ie, Kazikstan has no more power than Belgium. That is the way I'd like to see it managed.'

I disagree because i believe in democracy and one person one vote, so if Britain has a greater population than Kazakhstan, then we should have more votes. But apart from that, we should not be tied with Kazakhstan or Ukraine of Latvia or Russia or anyobe else because we should be an independent nation able to sack our own Oxbridge wonks rather than being spun by a European elite of wonks on a retainer paid for by the public and doing the will of the Brussels bureaucrats and bigwigs.

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314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 11:13

One person one vote! you see, that's the death of the Eurovision that I loved! Because to me a Belgain person is a real person. I do believe in democracy but I believe in Portugal and I believe in Luxembourg and I only fairly recently heard of Kazikstan and Turkistan . :-p

Can we have a break away retro eurovision. The bench mark is Countries in the contest the year Bucks Fizz won.

claig · 15/05/2016 11:17

' I only fairly recently heard of Kazikstan and Turkistan'

Yes, you are going to be hearing a lot more about them in the coming decades as the wonks (on a retainer from the elite paid for by the people) begin their work to spin us to allow them to join the European Union too (which is of course why some of these non_European countries are already in Eurovision as the wonks prepare us for the future they have got planned for us).

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Lweji · 15/05/2016 11:21

The Finnish one - was that the bearded transgender / transvestite

No, the metal group in monster masks. Lordi

314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 11:26

ps, if every country's say was 'signed down' I don't think it would be anti-democratic claig. It's more like a spokesman for each country goes forward to the jury to say, this is the most popular song in my country, this is the second most popular song in my country.

We're not voting for governments to represent us. The winning song doesn't represent our interests

claig · 15/05/2016 11:30

314inTheSkye, sorry I misunderstood you, i thought you were referring to the European Union rather than Eurovision.

'It's more like a spokesman for each country goes forward to the jury to say, this is the most popular song in my country, this is the second most popular song in my country. '

Yes, and how are the positions decided, by popular vote only or by some committee on a retainer phoned up by some bigwigs who tell them what to do for political reasons?

How does the voting work now, I am not too familiar with it?

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314inTheSkye · 15/05/2016 11:37

Oh no! I just mean, why sap the life, the joy and the kitsch out of the eurovision!

They should let me re-structure the voting! I am the perfect choice because I know fuck all about politics.

claig · 15/05/2016 11:41

'I just mean, why sap the life, the joy and the kitsch out of the eurovision!'

I agree, it is a laugh because it is kitsch and even the best efforts of the wonks to spin us and make us take it seriously is a laugh because we know what they are up to.

'They should let me re-structure the voting! I am the perfect choice because I know fuck all about politics.'

I would back you for it because I want people who treat it as the contest and fun that it really is rather than the wonks who want to send us messages on behalf of their masters.

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claig · 15/05/2016 11:44

And Bucks Fizz was bloody good, and so was Dana from Ireland back in the day and of course Abba and Bonnie Tyler was in it once, wasn't she?

There are some not half bad songs that come out of it.

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claig · 15/05/2016 11:46

The only time I would not watch it is if Geldof and Bono were our entries because then I would know for sure that the wonks were up to their usual tricks, that would have Oxbridge spelt all over it!

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Zhabr · 15/05/2016 12:25

In 1944 Russia and Ukraine were one country called Soviet Union. The government of it was multinational (lot's of Ukranians as well) with the Gergian man in the lead who spoke Russian with the strongest accent imaginable.
I loved French song and voted for them mais alas...

Lweji · 15/05/2016 14:45

Are you Irish claig?

claig · 15/05/2016 14:57

No, English

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claig · 15/05/2016 14:59

When I said "if Geldof and Bono were our entries" I meant for the UK, not Ireland, because even though they are both Irish, they are part of our Establishment.

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claig · 15/05/2016 15:18

They are not really Establishment, but they have a role to play in serving it.

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Winterbiscuit · 15/05/2016 17:07

why sap the life, the joy and the kitsch out of the eurovision

Hear hear Smile

I thought at least half the songs this year were really similar in style and content. Nothing stood out as being especially original, unusual or entertaining, it was like they were morphing into one type.

KimmySchmidtsSmile · 15/05/2016 17:22

Ah, Claig I'll give you a heads-up next year and you can give me a tip for the bookies!

As someone said on the threads last night, Way to go Ukraine. Total buzzkill!

The jury scores were given first and seemed relatively fair/unbiased.
Then came the public expat votes and countries at the bottom cough Poland cough leapt up the scoreboard. Twas very exciting.

The split vote is totally transparent now. If it had been purely the public vote Russia would have taken it, yes.

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