Winner of the Eurovision [title edited by MNHQ to remove spoiler]

[claig]

I kick myself for not paying attention to it. Should have guessed that, could have possibly won some money at the bookies by backing it a few weeks ago.

I think you're right they don't like us, it's all about the money, money, money.

how can teenagers be wonks if they need to have graduated from Oxbridge? Teen graduates from there are exceptionally rare and I can't find any on Google that aren't mathematicians.

They are recruited when interviewing for Oxbridge, of course. Didn't you realise? Keep up.

Eurovision has always been soft diplomacy and political score settling. I dont know how anyone could get the idea it was just people with dubious taste in music who controlled it :) the score settling has always been the funniest part of it

In recent times only Finland really deserved to win.

'how can teenagers be wonks if they need to have graduated from Oxbridge?'

This is where the concept of "teenage whizzkid" comes in. The ideal wonk is a "teenage whizzkid" who displays such brilliance that they graduate from Oxbridge (ideally with a PPE qualification) at an age far younger than their classmates. These "wonk savants" are then fastracked straight to the top in advisory roles as SPADs etc where they dream up wheezes like the infamous Edstone that a fellow wonk like Ed Miliband (straight outta Oxbridge) recognises as stunningly brilliant and promotes woth teenage enthusiasm and exuberance.

A "master wonk", "wonk savant" is by definition a whizzkid and teenage. They are sought after by the political elite for their brilliance at "spin".

The politics this year are F off then UK.

You mean teens on the autistic spectrum?

'Eurovision has always been soft diplomacy and political score settling'

Absolutely, and the fascinating thing is you can spot the agenda that is being spun by seeing what political score is being settled and this is the direction the chiefs want to move the people in.

'You mean teens on the autistic spectrum?'

No, just geniuses like Ed Miliband.

'The politics this year are F off then UK.'

No, they do that every year because they know we don't really care and take the piss about it anyway. They know we are too smart to be spun by them and treat it ironically , in the same way we treat Miliband and the glorious Edstone.That is why Juncker said about Wogan

"Eurovision chief accuses late Sir Terry Wogan of 'ruining the show with his mockery'

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eurovision-chief-accuses-late-sir-7765652

They are pissed that we don't take it seriously and can't be spun by the best wonks on the planet.

but Ed Miliband graduated when he was 22.

The Finnish one - was that the bearded transgender / transvestite (I don't actually know what he/ she is)

I get that it is political, not disputing that.
But the fact that we keep entering shite cannot be helping.

'but Ed Miliband graduated when he was 22.'

Absolutely, which is precisely why he does not qualify as a "whizzkid". In fact, a more appropriate term for him would be something akin to the German term "dummkopf" as his gusto and glee at the Edstone amply demonstrated.

Ed Miliband was a wonk without a doubt, but was not one of the best that there is, far from it.

'The Finnish one - was that the bearded transgender / transvestite (I don't actually know what he/ she is)'

Austrian. Political too, in my opinion.

'I get that it is political, not disputing that.
But the fact that we keep entering shite cannot be helping.'

But why do we keep entering the polling booths every 5 years. That is the system.

I suspect it would be difficult to find a reasonable act with a good song to go, especially when the delights of Kiev beckon.

'I suspect it would be difficult to find a reasonable act with a good song to go, especially when the delights of Kiev beckon.'

I expect the wonks are working on it right now. Some EU countries will probably send entries with Stalin lookalikes to emphasise the message to the European people of how awful Russia is. Some acts will probably be in uniform to emphasise the danger of Russia etc. Some acts may have performers in athletic costume emphasising the message of Russian doping etc.

The wonks are on the case.

but you called him a genius.

'but you called him a genius.'

But that was in the great British Wogan tradition of mockery and irony. Remember what Juncker said and why they are pissed about our sense of humour and our imperviousness to the best spin of their wonks and Edstones.

"Eurovision chief accuses late Sir Terry Wogan of 'ruining the show with his mockery'

Perhaps they should have Eurovision as a knockout competition like they do in football. Put all the partisan countries together in groups eg Russia, Latvia, Lithuania; and Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia etc and have one representative from each group competing against each other.

Now that would be interesting.

I thought the Ukraine song was pants. Too screechy and no tune to speak of.

'Apparently Russia was most offended by the lyrics of the Ukraine song this week. It was about Stalin's the deportation of Crimean tatars (whatever they are!) to Russia in 1944, and about how Russia annexed Crimea at that time.

Maybe that's why it won?'

Absolutely, precisely, exactamundo.

I only wished I had paid attention to the whole spin spectacle because it is easy to predict the stunts the wonks pull and you can make some money betting on the result if you know how the wonks work.

I guess I will have to wait for the next one in Kiev to predict what the wonks will do.

Just out of interest, what language was the Ukrainian song sung in? Was it in English or Ukrainian?

Gawd, not the Oxbridge wonks obsession in relation to Eurovision, of all things. It is unlikely in the extreme that anyone in any position of power cares one jot about the outcome of Eurovision. Because the outcome of Eurovision will not change one single vote in the referendum.

English, like most of the songs.