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UK Government concerned too many people could be trying anal sex

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LurkingHusband · 13/04/2016 09:47

Apparently

The Government is concerned that increasing numbers of young people are trying anal sex, according to an official consultation.

Officials at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport are baffled at the increased popularity of the act despite apparent “research” suggesting it is not pleasurable for women.

The warning is included in a consultation document issued by the Department about plans to further restrict access to online pornography. It argues that young people are trying anal sex as a result of having viewed pornography, and that this is an unwelcome development.

“Many people worry that young people will come to expect their real life sexual experiences to mirror what they or their peers see in pornography, which often features ambiguous depictions of consent, submissive female stereotypes and unrealistic scenarios,” the consultation reads.

“There is also a question about the effect of pornography on ‘unwanted sex’ – for instance more young people are engaging in anal intercourse than ever before despite research which suggests that it is often not seen as a pleasurable activity for young women.

“While the increase in anal sex cannot be attributed directly to pornography consumption, it does feature in a large percentage of mainstream pornography (for example, one content analysis found it featured in 56% of sex scenes).”

The consultation suggests that restricting access to pornography might reduce the numbers of people trying anal sex.

Officials supported their view by citing a 2014 British Medical Journal paper from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine which collated interviews about the practice with 130 16-18 year olds.

That study actually however concluded that “accounts revealed a complex context [of people trying anal sex] with availability of pornography being only one element”.

The Government’s negative view of anal sex recalls opposition to the practice by Margaret Thatcher, who in 1986 watered down an anti-AIDS campaign so as not to acknowledge the act's existence.

According to Cabinet minutes released at the New Year Mrs Thatcher sent a memo asking for a section on “risky sex” to be scrubbed from the campaign because “it could do immense harm if young teenagers were to read it”.

When the newspaper advert warning of the dangers of AIDS went ahead, she said: “I remain against certain parts of this advertisement. Adverts where every young person will read and learn of practices they never knew about will do harm.”

Homosexual anal sex was criminalised under law as “buggery” in England and Wales until 1967.

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Ledkr · 14/04/2016 22:29

I volunteer on the rape crisis line and was told during training the the incidents of anal tearing in young girls from anal has trebled in the last five years. What a shame.
We must talk to our kids. I often bustle about the kitchen making dinner waffling away to dd 14 "of course, most people don't do anal, particularly Young people or with new partners, porn is not like real sex you know" she must hate me but I'm still saying it

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MrsBoDuke · 14/04/2016 23:07

Didn't take long for someone to wail 'you're all prudes'....

Anal sex has increased massively as a pastime since I started having sex (in 1990).
I had a very active sexual history and can't actually remember how many men I slept or had encounters with over the years (all completely consensual).

I was never once asked for anal, let alone coerced into it - it just wasn't a mainstream thing.
I have worked in a male dominated environment for most of my adult life, with an age range of 17 up to mid 50s and heard all the stories of drunken nights out etc - I noticed a marked difference between the teens/20s of now with those of 15+ years ago - anal is the goal now it seems.
The blokes high five each other for finding a girl who's up for it, and the young girls are falling over themselves to offer it to prove they're not 'frigid' or 'prudes' and to feel accepted.

I'm now separated from my husband, and like a pp said, it seems anal is suddenly a thing amongst the older guys too - which means they dip out big style with me because my ass is out of bounds Grin

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urbanfox1337 · 15/04/2016 00:38

In the first few posts of this thread, it's been explained that anal sex can do real physical damage which can be irreversible

It has been explained that damage can be done, so can so many things in life but why is it wrong? Perhaps the answer is to educate children in how to do it safely not to to pretend it doesn't happen, or try to hide it. A parents job, or sex ed in school?

Its also very offensive to suggest men don't enjoy being penetrated anally, a lot of them do. Is this a pseudo gay hate thread?

If you dont like it you say no, teach them no, what's the problem? Peer pressure might convince my DC shoving needles in your ear is cool, doesn't mean they are . actually going to do it. Or maybe they would, it's their choice.

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ouryve · 15/04/2016 00:46

It's late, so I shall leave it at "pseudo gay hate" my arse.Hmm

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imwithspud · 15/04/2016 00:48

If you dont like it you say no, teach them no, what's the problem

I think it's fairly obvious that the problem occurs when they say no and the other person continues to push and coerce in the hope that they will get what they want, rather than being a decent human being and respecting people's boundaries. In particular this is a problem with teenagers, where they are especially vulnerable to peer pressure and are often willing to sell themselves short in order to fit in.

It's not always as simple as 'saying no'. If it was then sex crimes such as rape, grooming, coercion etc wouldn't exist.

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MrsBoDuke · 15/04/2016 01:00

Is this a pseudo gay hate thread?

Yes, clearly.

A thread debating how impressionable teenagers are being socialised into thinking that anal sex is a mainstream activity is actually just a cunning cover for rabid 'gay hate'.

Thank goodness somebody has spotted these silly, vanilla, uptight prudes in their barely concealed subterfuge.

FFS.

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OddSocksHighHeels · 15/04/2016 01:15

ledkr I can imagine you embarrass her right now because she's 14 and you're her mum and you should know nothing about sex Wink but i bet she'll be really thankful when she's older. I'm determined to make sure DD knows she can talk to me and will give her any facts she needs, I think it's so important.

MrsB I do wonder how things are for each generation. I'm 27, internet porn was around when I was a teen but I'm not sure it was as much as it is now. I was first asked for anal sex at 16 and have been asked a fair bit. I worry about what else will become more mainstream as time goes on and how we stay up to date on it to be properly advising our children. My DD is only 4, what will things be like for her in 10 years time?

urban yeah I'm bisexual but I hate gay people Confused I genuinely don't get any other points you made in your last point but I suggest trying to steer your kids away from stabbing needles into themselves rather than saying it's their choice. Be a parent.

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VertigoNun · 15/04/2016 01:21

I feel so sad for the easily lead or low self esteem girls and young woman who will be left with a lifetime of health issues as a result of anal sex.

I have never partook. I was asked and declined, I was almost "accidently" entered.Hmm

It's an out hole with a function. Nature provided a lubricated hole that fits a penis just fine, use it.

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guerre · 15/04/2016 01:21

Hmm Ah, of course, that canard. People who think that sexual practices that damage people physically are illiberal prudes. Yes, obviously.

Pressurising people in all areas of life isn't acceptable, really, is it? I don't nag my husband. He's an adult, and he makes his own decisions. I may object, and tell him so, but once I've raised it once, it's not for me to pressurise him. He would never pressurise me either, and hasn't in 25 years.
I don't bribe my children either- that way madness lies.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 15/04/2016 01:40

I think it's a terrible shame. WA services are closing down due to lack of funding which means that more children are growing up thinking abuse and coercion are the norm. Social Services are stretched to breaking, so more children are growing up thinking abuse and coercion is the norm. Benefits and social housing are being cut, women are afraid to leave abusive relationships so more children are growing up thinking that abuse and coercion is the norm. Children are allowed to be pulled from sex ed in school, so they grow up with an internet sex ed, where they think abuse and coercion is the norm.

The problem is not that "too many people are trying anal sex", it's that our government don't give enough of a shit about our children to protect them and educate them.

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80sMum · 15/04/2016 01:50

We seem to have taken several huge steps backwards. In my youth, women campaigned for equality in all things and the women's liberation movement aimed at freeing women from the shackles of forced domesticity and always playing 2nd fiddle to men.
Now it almost seems as if we're going back to where we were before, with our young women feeling obliged to participate in a practice that will cause them both physical and emotional harm, purely for the pleasure of men.

I think it's very unfortunate that pornography has become so 'mainstream' nowadays. Years ago, it was the province of "dirty old men in raincoats" shuffling furtively into a back alley sex shop with blacked out windows! It was, and still is, a sordid business that makes money by exploiting human weakness.

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VertigoNun · 15/04/2016 01:54

It's so sad it was only in the 60's or 70's women stopped the practice of covering their hair. They fought for safe woman only spaces etc. All that autonomy is going before our eyes.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 15/04/2016 02:01

Back "in the day" the pornography peddlars were legally responsible for ensuring the buyers were over 18 and what they sold was legal.

Our government don't seem so bothered about internet porn that they'll actually tackle those profitting from it. No, they're just "concerned" that too many people are trying anal sex. No

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Qwebec · 15/04/2016 02:19

Shock I thaught the OP was posting joke. I'm totally stunned that this is a serious thread. Are there no more pressing matters than that? Working on the notion of consent, harassement and online security comes to mind Confused

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Lightbulbon · 15/04/2016 22:12

Why don't you consider Women's health a pressing issue??

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Birdsgottafly · 16/04/2016 18:53

""n the first few posts of this thread, it's been explained that anal sex can do real physical damage which can be irreversible""
""Why don't you consider Women's health a pressing issue??""

I've been googling, I haven't managed to find any website that confirms this.

I agree about the easy availability of hardcore porn, I also thought that the topics that the Government banned were ridiculous.

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KindDogsTail · 16/04/2016 19:07

LurkingHusband
Personally I don't think there is any place for the state to get involved in "morality".

I disagree.

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KindDogsTail · 16/04/2016 19:09

Sorry, I meant to say I disagree, I think the state needs to do much more to protect children from pornography. The prevalence of anal sex has come from "pornography".

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apple1992 · 16/04/2016 19:17

Several teenage girls at school have said they have anal sex because they won't get pregnant/remain a virgin.

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apple1992 · 16/04/2016 19:18

And I agree with kindfox, I feel it has come from young people being so exposed to porn.

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KindDogsTail · 16/04/2016 19:44

Apple there is another thread about the effects of porn on young people.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a2610074-Anybody-up-for-a-general-chat-about-the-damaging-effects-of-porn-on-young-people?msgid=60510082#6
This thread is also partly linked to a feminism thread.

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apple1992 · 16/04/2016 19:49

Thanks - I'll take a look

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/04/2016 19:51

I had a very active and varied sex life from 1975 to 1984 (then met current partner). No one ever suggested it.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/04/2016 19:54

Several teenage girls at school have said they have anal sex because they won't get pregnant/remain a virgin

In my day being on the pill got you called a slut by other teenage girls - girls who then went on to become pregnant.

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ouryve · 16/04/2016 19:54

Nothing on google?

Anal fissures for a start
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/anal-fissure/symptoms-causes/dxc-20168232

A full article on webMD:
www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

And plenty more.

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