is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

[Lweji]

Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

Four years of a Trump presidency will be the greaatest fun ever. All the puppets across the world will be grovelling and scraping and bowing. All the pretensions will be popped, all the bullshit will be stopped. USA.

The world "leaders" should all have watched this to understand the Trump phenomenon

I'm absolutely sure Sadiq Khan knows all he needs to know about Trump and is very well qualified to comment, particularly in light of Trump's "kind" offer to make him the exception to the Muslim ban. It's very interesting indeed that his comments seem to have got to Trump so very thoroughly. He clearly does feel vulnerable.

'It's very interesting indeed that his comments seem to have got to Trump so very thoroughly. He clearly does feel vulnerable.'

We know that Trump doesn't like insults and slights and that a clever person should avoid slighting Trump in the slightest way. Trump remembers and bears grudges for over 20 years about the size of his hands etc etc.

Only the foolhardy would try to insult and stump the Trump. As Trump says "not gonna happen any more"

USA!

But Trump is gracious and accepts the apologies and mistakes of the foolhardy as long as they are sincere in their sorrow and obsequious grovelling.

Trump is fair if he wants to be. So all hope is not lost for the brazen, buffonish and foolhardy.

Bloody hell, do we really want a sensitive plant who can't take criticism about the size of his hands in a position of power? And someone who is only capable of being fair "if he wants to be"? And is he really stupid enough not to see how offensive his comments about graciously allowing Khan into the USA were?

Second thoughts, don't answer that, I know the answer is that either he really is that stupid, or is so bigoted that he views Khan as "other" and inferior and someone who should have been grateful. Or both.

Khan is just too polite to answer appropriately (ODFO)

For you, claig. I suspect they'll be begging for people in if Trump is elected.

'Bloody hell, do we really want a sensitive plant who can't take criticism about the size of his hands in a position of power? '

We have no choice because that is what is going to happen so the sooner our great and good, our grafting and greasy get on board the Trump Train, pay the conductor, grovel, bow, doff their cap and make their apologies, the better.

"Are you, are you coming to the train
Led by a man who wants to break the chains
Establishment is terrified, they can't control his reign
Let's meet this year on the Trump Train"

It's leaving the station, get on board before it is too late and for God sake apologise and grovel if you have said anything that Trump is not happy with.

Trump 2016!

' I suspect they'll be begging for people in if Trump is elected.'

People will be queuing up for it. I'm too old in the tooth now, but when I was younger, I was offered a job in California which I turned down.

"Are you, are you coming to the train
To take our great country back again
Join the revolution, break the chains
Let's meet this year on the Trump Train"

Make America Great Again. End the bullshit, end the political correctness, end the rule of the puppets.

Trump 2016! Get on board and let's rock'n'roll.

'Trump warns British detractors he has a long memory'

www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-british-prime-minister-david-cameron-muslim-london-mayor-sadiq-khan/

Trump, we like you, we aren't like that shower of detractors.

'Little Is Off Limits as Donald Trump Plans Attacks on Hillary Clinton'

Donald J. Trump plans to throw Bill Clinton’s infidelities in Hillary Clinton’s face on live television during the presidential debates this fall, questioning whether she enabled his behavior and sought to discredit the women involved."

www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

Whatever you do, don't miss the live debates because it will be like nothing in the history of the world. So many truths will be told by Trump that the world "leaders" and puppets' heads will spin.

We have no choice because that is what is going to happen so the sooner our great and good, our grafting and greasy get on board the Trump Train, pay the conductor, grovel, bow, doff their cap and make their apologies, the better.

That's effectively what you told us about Farage. We're still waiting.

If Trump's strategy for the debates is as self-defeating as you suggest, the Clinton camp has nothing to worry about.

I'm watching Bernie closely. He nailed it in Puerto Rico and is saying the same as Trump. I think the democrats have a much better chance against trump with Bernie. HC is a disgrace to women by saying she would give the economy to her husband to fix. I wanted to scream that we are voting for you not your husband. He has had his turn and I'm not about to vote for someone to allow a former president to have another two terms via proxy of his wife. The rules are no more than 2 terms. If you want a 3rd term change the rules (a la Bloomberg) and do it honestly.

Trump warns British detractors he has a long memory'

I think they can sleep soundly. He seems to have trouble following a train of thought when speaking, or remembering what the question was about, let alone what his last position on any subject was or what he said.

I think it all depends on his feelings at the time Lweji. Bit like his net worth

The politically correct, sickly sweet, syrupy Megyn Kelly-Trump interview is tonight. Megyn has show some excerpts of it and it is cringe-makingly politicallly correct with her asking with him to "change his tone" etc. How he managed to sit through the syrup I don't know.

I doubt she will be on Fox for long, she is more suited to a liberal TV channel or on the Democrat campaign.

The good news for America is, she interviewed Donald Trump Jr on her show last night and tried the same line on him and he was having none of it and said that it precisely because of his father's tone that the long ignored blue collar workers and working class Americans have backed him and made him the presumptive nominee.

Pundits are beginning to talk of a possible Trump dynasty - with maybe Ivana as President or Donald Jr who has all the right non-politically correct instincts to make America great again too.

It looks like a bright future for America. Now if only we had some common sense here instead of all these nobodies insulting Trump.

Here is the Labour wonk, McTernan, getting it wrong as usual

"Donald Trump might kill the 'special relationship'. That's no laughing matter for Britain
...
As usual, Trump did not mince his words:

It looks like we are not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows, I hope to have a good relationship with him but he's not willing to address the problem either.

So, the first casualty of a Trump presidency would be the specialness of the special relationship.
...
For there is no doubt that Trump is not just a threat to the special relationship – he would be the end of it.
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President Trump would change everything. It is no laughing matter for us."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/donald-trump-might-kill-the-special-relationship-thats-no-laughi/

It wouldn't be the end of the special relationship, instead it woule be the end of our metroplitan elite's political correctness. All the wonks and all the whizzes would instead have to do a 180 degree turn towards common sense and dance to Trump's tune.

'President Trump would change everything. It is no laughing matter for us."

Of course it would be a laughing matter to watch the end of political correctness and the return to Trumpian common sense.

Somehow, I suspect Ivanka might make more sense than her dad. I'd like to know what she really thinks of him, although she has hinted before that she may be in a different political corner. Than he is now, anyway.

Which nobodies?

Btw, the other day, while reading a thread, a nickname for Trump just came to me as if by divine inspiration.
Wonky Trump.
I don't know. I just saw so much of the word wonk that I started associating it with Trump.
Wonky Trump just seems so apt.
Sadly, I suspect the Democrats are too mature (more than a 5 year old level) to start giving nicknames to political adversaries.

She is a bit too politically correct, apparently asking Trump to be "more presidential". But Donald Jr was very impressive, not a politically correct bone in his body. Megyn tried and tried the usual spin and tricks to get him to be politically correct and he just easily defeated her and even she had to admit, you've really got it, like your dad.

'Which nobodies? '

Saddiq Khan, Zac Goldsmith and just about every other senior member of the metropolitan elite.

'to start giving nicknames to political adversaries'

No they are hitting him with ads all the time and they have roped Elizabeth Warren in to do a twitter attack on Trump where she has called him a "loser", but their fatal flaw is that they are mostly politically correct and therefore all fall flat.

There was a god article that the only way the Democrats could beat Trump was to draw him into an attack where he would go too far and thereby lose. Their strategy is to go for Trump's ego as Elizabeth Warren is trying to do in the hope that Trump will go too far in reply. It has potential as a strategy and is all the Democrats have left, but Trump has already replied by calling Warren "Pocahontas" in reply and I don't know if she will be able to stand the heat because despite Megyn Kell's best attaempts at syrup, Trump will not "change his tone".

They can't use Hillary to go after Trump because Trump has so much on Hillary that it will be a walkover when he dumps it on her. Republican Karl Rove and alleged conservative Bill O'Reilly were desperately discussing last night how Trump should not do it. But however many wagons the Establishment use to protect Hillary, they won't be able to save her from Trump because he is not Establishment, won't "change his tone" despite the entreaties of so-called conservative Megyn Kelly, and he will tell the whole truth.

The Democrats only hope is to use someone else to attack Trump and draw him into a trap.

Karl Rove kept saying that Trump should not go there and not play with dynamite and that he should stick to Benghazi, and even Bill O'Reilly lost his temper with Rove and said "you know I'm not talking about Benghazi".

The whole media knows "what he is talking about" but no one dares say it. Only Trump will say it and that frightens the entire Establishment, left, right and centre.

Here was the excellent Donald Trump Jr last night refusing to bow and scrape to the syrup and political correctness.

Compare him to our lot. No contest.

Interesting. Megyn Kelly is on The Five now and she says that she reached out to Trump more than once and at first he refused and didn't want to see her and then she asked him again and he said OK. Fox and Megyn tried to mend fences with Trump. Our nobodies will have to do the same. We will see how many times they have to ask him.

The whole interview will be about "temperament" etc rather than policy. Lots of syrup but worth watching.

There is only one insult that the Democrats can use to harm Trump, but I won't say it as I want Trump to win. I don't want to help their wonks.