is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

[Lweji]

Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

How will Trump lower the cost of medical cover?

He won't, except perhaps for a minority of younger, healthy individuals who will once again be allowed to buy cheap policies that do not provide comprehensive cover.

Anyone else spot the rather obvious contradiction between "increasing competition" (let the market decide!) and the federal government imposing maximum prices on pharmaceuticals companies (those pesky markets can't be trusted to make the right decision!)?

It would be hilarious, if it weren't simply depressing evidence that you can fool an awful lot of the people almost all of the time.

Ditto with food prices. Chuck out 11 million immigrants, and your crops will rot in the fields - as the tomato crop did in Georgia not so long ago, following a crackdown on undocumented immigrants. And that will put prices up.

'How will the US government force the Mexican government to pay for something to keep their own citizens in?'

Trump is talking about stopping remittances being sent back to Mexico from America. Trump will also probably put tariffs on unless they pay up and Roger Stone has suggested that some of Mexico's top people may be receiving indictments if they were involved in the drug business. Trump will get it done.

' Chuck out 11 million immigrants, and your crops will rot in the fields'

Trump will allow temporary work permits etc for those jobs, but it will be legal and temporary.

Trump will allow temporary work permits etc for those jobs, but it will be legal and temporary.

And give everyone an electronic bracelet so that they don't get "lost"? :)

I think that's a horrible approach. As in you're good enough to come and do poorly paid work for us, but you're not good enough to live in this country and have the same rights as a citizen.

'As in you're good enough to come and do poorly paid work for us'

It's a temporary contract.

There's no reason to even bother debating the question on moral terms lweji as the cost of doing it simply renders the whole project absurd. Here are some estimates of the resources that would be required to remove 11 million illegal immigrants (deciding who got an ankle bracelet and a tattoo and was allowed to stay temporarily would add to the cost):

• Federal immigration apprehension personnel to increase from 4,844 positions to 90,582 positions;

· The number of immigration detention beds to increase from 34,000 to 348,831;

· The number of immigration courts to increase from 58 to 1,316;

· The number of federal attorneys legally processing undocumented immigrants to increase from 1,430 to 32,445; and

· A minimum of 17,296 chartered flights and 30,701 chartered bus trips each year

www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-personnel-and-infrastructure-needed-to-remove-all-undocumented-immigrants-in-two-years/?gclid=CIyyz8KItMwCFeYK0wodQasPaA

Maybe that's how he plans to create jobs.
Policing migrants.

And get Mexico to pay for that too.

Those prices for fresh fruit are horrendous, supermom
I'm surprised that internal transport costs are so high, even considering long distances. Has that always been the case ?
No wonder that so many on low incomes are very obese

Interesting that Russia was the only G20 country in that international YouGov poll who preferred Trump to Clinton as US President - he averaged a miserable 6% in Europe.
And Putin says Trump would be the best person.
A marriage of 2 egos

Being endorsed by Putin is like having a recommendation letter by your local crime lord.

'A marriage of 2 egos'

There was an article saying that the Russian political class thought Trump was the best candidate because he will be the only one who doesn't "punch" them. They think there is a chance of pragmatic better relations. But one Russian foreign policy expert thought that nothing would really change because Trump would not be able to make the decisions and that they would be made by the same circle that makes them now. I think that is wrong, I think Trump will change lots of things and lots of people which is the reason the world leaders are so scared of him.

"So would a Trump presidency really mean better relations between the U.S. and Russia?

Lukyanov doubts it.

"Whoever will be president, the expertise will be made by the same people. And the conclusion is pretty gloomy," he said. "There's no way to find people inside America's intellectual community who are ready to take on a more say sympathetic position towards Russia."

edition.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-putin/

There's no way to find people inside America's intellectual community who are ready to take on a more say sympathetic position towards Russia."
And perhaps there are very good reasons for that. Think about it.

Or rather, their current leaders.

Don't insult Putin.
He runs a major nation as a kleptocracy, so much more than merely a local crimelord.
He and Trump plan to make beautiful billions together

Of course.

It's just a matter of scale.

Looks like Trump will win California. Second day of protests against him. Analyst said it will help Trump as the tough law and order candidate. Apparently similar protests helped Reagan and Nixon in California.

Princeton statisticians have calculated Trump now has a 97% chance of being the GOP nominee.
(and Cruz has just chosen his Veep, a bit pointless surely)

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/04/28/indiana-may-not-matter-any-more/
A nice site if you like statistics & maths, btw

'Cruz has just chosen his Veep, a bit pointless surely'

Desperate, he needs to divert from Trump's success and Carly will campaign in one place while Cruz campaigns somewhere else to double his exposure. Cruz has been endorsed by Indiana Governor. Cruz has to win Indiana or it is all over. Trump was endorsed by the "General", legendary Indiana basketball coach.

California protests will help Trump in Indiana and everywhere else, just like the protests helped him in Chicago because conservatives are law and order types and they don't like to see hooligans jumping on police cars and intimidating families and they don't like the way the media blames Trump for it instead of the hooligans. They know the system is against Trump, so they will back Trump.

Trump is a master media manipulator. Non-stop media coverage of the protests. Trump not given adequate protection, had to climb over and under fences, cars parked on hard shoulder etc in order to get in and speak. Media images of Trump as brave underdog against the hooligans.

Trump said the organisers told him he should maybe call it off and go back to Indiana, but Trump bravely said no, he wouldn't let the people down. I think he deliberately goes into the belly of the beast in order to win more votes from the law-abiding public.

Funny Argentinian football advert for the Copa America which is being held in the United States this summer.

ohhhhh my ted cruz has pulled out of the race....

Good. About time!
Trump 2016!

(And Cruz accidentally elbowed his wife in the face - clumsy klutz to the end ! )

Kasich says he's staying in the race, but seems pointless now:
Trump is now widely prescribed as the "presumptive Republican presidential nominee"
Even Republican chairman Reince Priebus has called for the party to unite behind Trump.

Well, who'da thunk it, back in June 2915 when Trump first declared he was a candidate.
Situation changed from silly season joke to "how the hell did we get in this mess ? "

BigChoc, the next step is Trump as President. World "leaders" are in pieces. Common sense is back, no more lies, no more spin, no more bullshit, all their cons and scams will be exposed and all their schemes are over.

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