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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

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claig · 02/03/2016 09:27

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

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claig · 16/03/2016 19:20

MrsFriskers, what is going on is absolutely crucial, America is at a turning point as its deficit is so huge and as an economic collapse looks ever more likely at some point. Trump wants to win to save America. He is just a leader with leadership skills, toughness etc. He will choose the Sheriffs and the top advisers and business people to do the detail. He will do the deals and set the priorities. He doesn't want to get off the ride but the Establishment wants him off it because he will overturn everything they have worked for. He is going to put America First and bring jobs back and end globalism.

'most US presidents' have a law or military background - but they have all earned their chops as a longtime servant of the state or governance'

Yes, just like our Oxbridge barristers like Blair. It is the same everywhere. They all earn their chops as they are selected, assessed and moved up the ladder. But, take the us for example, they are all hostage to donor and Wall Street and corporate money in order to be able to fight their very expensive campaigns. Therefore they have to fall in line. As the Republican elite operative said on the video linked to above about how the Republican elite are trying to stop Trump

Republicans "are hierarchical, ... we fall in line"

That is why all the policies are along the same general lines, in thsi case globalism.

Trump has stepped in and said no to that and that is why the entire world elite is in panic mode. Trump is independently wealthy, he doesn't need their money, he doesn't need to fall in line. However, they are much more powerful than him so somehow a deal will have to be made or they will have to take it away from Trump. Soem analysts are saying that they will back hillary over trump, because she is the same as them, she has earned her chops by working her way up the system and of course, like so many of the others, she was a lawyer or somthing like that too.

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claig · 16/03/2016 19:21

'Humans of New York has been the most liked and shared viral post on Facebook ever - I'm amazed you you missed it '

I am not on facebook or twitter. i am old school - BBC and google.

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claig · 16/03/2016 19:42

Channel 4 News just said that the Governor of Florida has endorsed Trump. There were rumours he was going to do it before the Florida primary but he didn't probably due to enormous pressure. But he is a businessman, an outsider, not one of the lawyers of the political class like Cruz or Hillary.

There will be a split within the Republicans. A lot of the business people and outsiders will back Trump because he is obviously a winner, but the real top dwindling Establishment like the Bushes and the servants can never back Trump because Trump is going to investigate lots of things and change lots of things. So the top elite will fight tooth and nail to stop Trump, but they may still be defeated by the lower ranks of the Republican Establishment who may break ranks.

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MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 19:53

You happily post newsbites selectively from the Internet. Most news channels have posted Mr Stanton' s letter to Mr Trump - it's viral.
I appreciate he is a liar and manipulator (actually from your posts, and also from what I see and read), but he is also a dangerous, ignorant and hate filled man. And he leads the trail, for some equally ignorant people. I hope the US people cast him out - I expect he would welcome even that publicity

claig · 16/03/2016 19:56

I post what I see and think is interesting. Can you post what Mr Stanton wrote and explain who Mr Stanton is? I have never heard of him or seen it.

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Lweji · 16/03/2016 19:56

From an obscure site
www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35811434

claig · 16/03/2016 20:03

OK, it looks like he is an individual who has written an open letter, probably like a lot of other people have done. But Trump has probably never heard of him or his blog. It gained a lot of likes after Hillary shared it. So it looks political. Trump goes on all the media, most of which is left wing and is grilled over and over about whether he is racist etc, so he answers these type of questions all the time

"Its popularity was boosted by the fact that Hillary Clinton shared the post to her two million Facebook followers as did the former astronaut Colonel Chris Hadfield.

Their support meant that the letter received more than two million likes.

But Trump supporters have dismissed the open letter as left-wing propaganda.

Some of Stanton's defenders have, however, rejected the blogger's claim that his work is not usually political.
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A Humans of New York post capturing the plight of Syrian refugees in Jordan: "They are too young now, but one day I will tell them about Syria. They are already asking questions."

"I find it fascinating when people state that they 'try not to be political'" tweeted the Canadian Mike Riverso. "I've always seen everything that Humans of New York does as a political act. Humanising Syrian refugees at a time when they're highly vilified is inherently political."

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Lweji · 16/03/2016 20:10

Interesting that you chose to quote those sentences from the article.

What he is saying is that he has decided to be political on this (in which case it doesn't matter too much whether he was previously or not).

I find it more significant that he says "opposing [Trump] is no longer a political decision. It's a moral one."

In the same vein as showing Syrian refugees as human. It's a moral issue and a humanitarian issue, more than political. When children's lives are in danger, it's not party politics, or even religion.

claig · 16/03/2016 20:13

'I find it more significant that he says "opposing [Trump] is no longer a political decision. It's a moral one."'

But lots of people say that. I am not surprised that Hillary shared it as that is the type of thing she would say. If Trump becomes the nominee, then Hillary will have to debate Trump and she can put all her points to him.

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claig · 16/03/2016 20:17

' "opposing [Trump] is no longer a political decision. It's a moral one."''

That is the sort of thing Republican candidate Marco Rubio woul have said when he was still running in the campign or even Jeb Bush would have said. It is nothing unusual or new.

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MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 20:18

"Humanising Syrian refugees at a time when they're highly vilified is inherently political" - FFS! I have plenty of words, let me collect them. They are humans.

claig · 16/03/2016 20:20

Of course they are which is why Trump wanted to let them into America at the beginning.

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claig · 16/03/2016 20:44

"Donald Trump Says We Need To Let In Syrian Refugees -

"I hate the concept of it [letting in Syrian refugees], but on a humanitarian basis, you have to. But you know, it’s living in hell in Syria. There’s no question about it. They’re living in hell, and something has to be done”

www.conservativebookclub.com/13265/quotes/donald-trump-says-we-need-to-let-in-syrian-refugees

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MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 20:58

Well that conflicts with the reportage in the second paragraph of the article I posted, he would send all Syrians back, whatever their status; I assume this I'd recent reportage.?

claig · 16/03/2016 21:01

Yes, initially he wanted to allow refugees in, but he changed his mind when he realised that they couldn't be vetted.

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claig · 16/03/2016 21:04

Trump will end the war in Syria overnight so people will be able to go back. Trump doesn't spill the full beans, but from what he says, it looks like he understands exactly what it is all about and that is why he will end it very, very quickly. He is not like Hillary over Libya etc, he is the exact opposite. I am sure he will spell it all out during the debates with Hillary which may shock the world.

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MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 21:23

Mr Trump has does not understand the complexities of Syria. Has he been there? Talked to and understood the myriad interests there? It is not a building project (although he may like it to be that). How on earth can he end the war in Syria overnight - when many better brains have applied themselves to this longtime? Will he depose Assad? Putin has just left the building btw, so that might help? Trump instead? Laughable and naive at best

claig · 16/03/2016 21:27

Trump is the exact opposite of Hillary and all of the rest of the "bought and paid for" candidates. That is why they are desperate to stop him because he will do the opposite of what they want and what they have done.

"Donald Trump on Friday accused his GOP rivals of seeking to “start World War III over Syria” and suggested the U.S. let Russia take up the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)

"They want to start World War III over Syria. Give me a break," Trump said at the State Fairgrounds in Oklahoma City.

"You know Russia wants to get ISIS right. We want to get ISIS. Russia’s in Syria. Maybe we should let them do it?," he continued. "Let them do it. What the hell are we crazy?"

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/255052-trump-gop-rivals-want-to-start-world-war-iii-over-syria

"Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump is pinning blame for the Syrian civil war and the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton

“She is the one that caused all this problem with her stupid policies,” Trump said on “Fox News Sunday.” “You look at what she did with Libya, what she did with Syria.”
“You look, she was truly, if not the, one of the worst secretary of States in the history of the country,” he added. “She talks about me being dangerous; she’s killed hundreds of thousands of people with her stupidity.”

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263086-trump-hillary-has-killed-hundreds-of-thousands-of-people

As Trump always says, he hasn't even started on Hillary yet. When he does, it will be like nothing we have ever seen.

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claig · 16/03/2016 21:31

'Has he been there? Talked to and understood the myriad interests there?'

Trump has talked to the top US generals and top advisers in the US. He knows what it is all about.

' How on earth can he end the war in Syria overnight - when many better brains have applied themselves to this longtime?'

Just watch what he does. It is possible that Obama and Putin have now done a deal which is why Putin pulled some troops out, but if it is still going by the time Trump gets in, he will end it very quickly and wipe Isis out within weeks, when we were told it would take generations.

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Lweji · 16/03/2016 21:37

We've covered how he could not manage to solve Syria.
I thought you had said two weeks, claig. Not overnight.
Which do you think is more likely less ludicrous?

MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 21:39

Anyway, I digress. I said before, it feels like Trump has created a monster that he now has to ride with - these electoral process seem a very devil for candidate personal lives - so much energy and money and time. I don't envy them. That said, I appreciate that a US nobody can embark on a political carreer with money behind them. If I won the lottery, what could I do politically in the UK - nothing at all, I expect..

Lweji · 16/03/2016 21:40

Trump has talked to the top US generals and top advisers in the US. He knows what it is all about.
So, the establishment ones and who have contributed to fuck it all up?
And he trusts them?
Why didn't he go there and saw it for hilself. With any luck...

Lweji · 16/03/2016 21:41

Sorry, himself.

MrsFriskers · 16/03/2016 21:48

Lweji/ Claig - am newbie on this thread and got irate - I should have read the previous thread, so I am sorry if I should have read that, which I now understand came from a real desire to know the general political overview - I'm sorry I got bogged in detail and issues discussed before

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