is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

[claig]

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

Most of my posts and in repsonse to things that you ask me.

But OK, I will stop posting on it.

Most of your posts are either unrelated to what other people have said or asked, have further propaganda stuff (about 75%), or completely sidetrack the issue that was under discussion.
On a good day you don't post more than 3 long posts in a row. Sometimes it goes to 4 or even 5.
I rarely even read most of them. Particularly when you get to the same old repeated platitudes and propaganda.
You're not doing yourself or Trump any favour.

I try to answer all your points in a proper way and you just tell me I have ignored what you asked. I don't try to sidetrack ever, in fact I try and answer everybody who asks me to.

'On a good day you don't post more than 3 long posts in a row. Sometimes it goes to 4 or even 5. '

Yes, my posts are usually long because I cut and paste from articles in order to highlight interesting ponts that add to the topic.

'I rarely even read most of them'

That's OK. I read yours, Maybe I would do better to start skipping them.

'You're not doing yourself or Trump any favour.'

I am not after favours, I am bringing up what i think are interesting articles and points.

But, I will limit my posts so that you can get your points across.

If you just cut out the cut-and-paste it would help enormously tbh.

OK, I will

here everyone is.

I see today that Trump believes the person who tried to get on stage yesterday is from ISIS. Great. Fantastic to have a potential presidential candidate who is a delusional paranoid.

He has also threated Sanders saying 'be careful or my people will go to yours' (talking about the rally events) Quite interestingly, looking at the comments on his fb page, this seems a step too far for many of his supporters.

Which FB page, OhYou?

I think OhYou means Trump's facebook

I looked there but didn't see the posts OhYou was referring to.

They are basically copies of his tweets on his twitter, but on facebook there are more people commenting I think

Thi is what he says

"Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

and

"USSS did an excellent job stopping the maniac running to the stage. He has ties to ISIS. Should be in jail!"

I think Trump was fooled by a video about the protestor that made him think he had links to Isis, but that is wrong.

Thanks Claig. Those are both the exact fb posts on Trumps page.

Yes I can see Trump's words but I was trying to find his supporters' comments you were referring to with "looking at the comments on his fb page, this seems a step too far for many of his supporters."

Look for the Bernie comment it is about 4hrs ago and then just a little way beneath it there is a link called View More Comments, I think there are some comments saying Trump is wrong but I am not sure that the majority care about what Trump said because most probably don't believe it.

have you found them Cote? they are just there on my fb.

claig, once again I'm in awe of you. How do you keep your cool with some of these posters? I think you should carry on as you are.

I only started looking at the US election seriously after reading your posts. Previously I was a 'well, I suppose it's another Bush or Clinton' train of thought, but now there's a new perspective.

Even if Trump doesn't win it means people have been thinking slightly outside the box, for a change.

Thanks, Magz.

I really think the implications of Trump are huge. The odds are against him winning because the entire system is united against him because they know what he will do to them if he wins and he will do it quickly.

The more I have learned about it and the more I have listened to people who know him and who have spoken to him, the more it becomes clear why the system fears him. He intends to end the corruption, jail the crooks, end the wars and work for the people. That is why this is such a huge thing and that is why he will probably be stopped and he won't make it. But if he does, it will be the end of lots and lots of crooks at the top. That is why the media is working overtime to portray him as a racist and an inciter of violence and why there is no coverage at all of the organised and planned and trained and coordinated protestors and who is behind them etc because they have to stop the people voting for him. But he is also a skilful salesman and operator and is appealing to the people above the media's head.

From watching this election, I have realised how little I really know about how real politics works and what is really at stake, and my guess is it must be like that for politics in Europe and the EU as well, but we never see it because the US is a much more open system than our system. The spin and the image is all a false facade to cover the real power of the huge money that lies behind the faces who run for office.

One of the best insights I read about Trump is that his Republican opponents say he is not a "conservative". But what has become clear is that the people don't want a conservative, they want a champion. They want someone to work for them against the system. That is why Trump's rallies are huge. They are not racists, they are working and middle class people who are struggling to make a good living. 40% of Americans earn less than $30000 a year while the people at the top earn hundreds of thousands for making one speech.

If Trump loses, things will only get worse for the people, those at the top will get richer and the people's jobs wil lbe shipped abroad under TTIP, TPP and all the other free trade deals.

I'm rooting for Trump, I will be watching Tuesday and hoping that he will make it and bring change to the whole world system.

I'll also be watching on Tuesday, if only because what happens in the US always seems to affect us here in the UK, whether we like it or not.

Having said that, I hope Trump wins - as a smack in the face to the other self-imposed, self-opinionated, self-promulgating (I think that's a word) systems which have been dominating the political scene for the last century.

I agree with you. Trump tells the people at his rallies "in years to come you will remember being at this rally and you will be so proud of your President and of our country".

Trump doesn't need the money, he insults all the bigwigs and foreign Presidents who call him "catastrophic", no one tells him what to do, all Trump cares about is working for the people.

He is not captured by the system, they can't control him and that is why they fear him. They never expected it to happen, Blair and all the rest worldwide never dreamed this could ever happen. Trump is their worst nightmare which is why the people queue for hours to hear him speak and lay into the elites.

Do you think you could elaborate on which people Trump will be working for?
Because, increasingly, his speech is against people. Particularly against anyone who doesn't say amen to him.
After creating a state of confrontation, do you think he can be a president for all Americans?
(And if you could answer without direct quotes from him or news articles, it would be appreciated, because I'm asking for your opinion)

If he becomes president, can you imagine what he'll do to the people disillusioned with the lack of fulfillment on any promises?
Going for any protesters. Storming on people on strike.
Have you thought how he'd treat you at a rally if you asked him a difficult question?

Where is his freedom of speech, his thick skin, his claim that anything can be said to him?

'Do you think you could elaborate on which people Trump will be working for? '

All Americans.

'After creating a state of confrontation, do you think he can be a president for all Americans? '

Yes, but he hasn't created confrontation. His supporters do not interrupt Hillary or Bernie rallies, it is the organised left who are planning to disrupt his far larger rallies in order to create negative publicity for him to frighten voters off voting for him.

'And if you could answer without direct quotes from him or news articles, it would be appreciated, because I'm asking for your opinion'

I will just give one article to show why I think Trump can appeal to all Americans because Trump's message is all about jobs and that unites all Americans

'In Florida, Donald Trump finds some support among Hispanic Republicans
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"I don't think Cuban, I think American," said former Hialeah Mayor Julio Martinez
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Martinez said he was backing Trump because there was "nobody better suited" to fixing the economy.
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Luis Tejera, 51, walked over and asked to pose for a picture with Martinez and his sign.

"I just want a change. I'm tired of the politicians promising everything and nothing happens," said Tejera, a police officer. Though Cuban-American, he said the Cuban ties of Rubio and GOP presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas meant little to him.

"I vote for the person and their ideas, not their race or ethnicity," he said.

"The worst problem the United States has today is the economy," he said.

Indeed, nearly 40 percent of Hispanics in the Florida poll cited Trump as the candidate they think can best handle the economy.

Diana Granda, 48, was so happy to see a band of Trump supporters manning a tent at her early voting site that she marched across the lawn after casting her ballot to shake hands. She said she was backing Trump because she thought mainstream politicians had done little to boost the economy.

"The middle class is just going to disappear," said Granda, an unemployed paralegal. "It's bad out here. Wages are lower, hours are longer — and that's if you can find a job."

www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/in-florida-donald-trump-finds-some-support-among-hispanic-republicans/2269150

It is all about the economy and jobs and trade deals. Americans are united in spite of the media trying to divide them by playing them off against each other.

'If he becomes president, can you imagine what he'll do to the people disillusioned with the lack of fulfillment on any promises? '

He won't do anything to anyone, he will bring back jobs and prosperity and everyone will like that.

'Going for any protesters. Storming on people on strike. '

I don't know about strikes, but he will definitely be tougher on protestors who disrupt other people's free speech and he will very likely go after the billionaires who fund them and take them to court for trying to subvert free speech by intimidation and violence and disruption of other people's public meetings.

'Have you thought how he'd treat you at a rally if you asked him a difficult question? '

He might be rude as he sometimes is but that is the end of it. He gets tough questions from the media all the time and sometimes he is rude when he answers them.

'Where is his freedom of speech, his thick skin, his claim that anything can be said to him?'

He abides by the Constitution but he can be rude in reply which is part of free speech. He is not politically correct and is occasionally rude.

Don't you think protesting is also free speech?

I wasn't asking only about what happened at his rallies. I'm asking about his confrontational attitude against all who don't agree with him or don't tow his line.
Can you truly say that you think his speeches bring people together? To me it feels more like those who follow me and the enemy, not reaching out for all.
His speech is inflamatory, instead, and it's not surprising that it's created the current state of confrontation.

Do you think other candidates don't have hecklers? Look up how differently they dealt with them.
If you think Trump's way is better, then you shouldn't be surprised that it's where violence has erupted. He has asked for it. He can't complain when it happens. And neither should you.
It's the revolution. It's sibling against sibling. It's neighbour against neighbour. It's children against parents. It's fantastic Trump 2017. (This is where we're heading and he can't really blame anyone else)

You can protest without violence. My issue with the activity this weekend is that I think it is a 'rent a mob' rather than a cohesive group of people who disagree with his policies. I am all for free speech and believe comments made by Trump deserve to be challenged.

This weekend no one challenged Trump, instead they did what they could to shut him down. Honestly this weekend could be what wins the nomination and the presidency. Americans are not stupid and see that this weekend was all about dirty politics. This is exactly what they are fed up of.

Of course you can protest without violence. But the first people who protested weren't violent at all.
It's been Trump's people who have physically attacked others to start with.
It's Trump who's been calling for violence against peaceful protesters.
You only need to see what happened in YouTube.

I agree that people are fed up of dirty politics.
But... you don't think Trump is guilty of dirty politics as well?
By claig's own admission he's doing whatever it takes and saying whatever it takes to get elected. Including lying.
He mocks and puts down other candidates.
He incites to violence.
Is this not dirty politics?

'I'm asking about his confrontational attitude against all who don't agree with him or don't tow his line. '

He has nothing against people who disagree with him, America is a democracy and he is running for election and trying to persuade people to vote fr him. But he is confrontational to Vicente Fox, former President of Mexico, who said "we're not going to pay for that f**ing wall", and he is confrontational to Lyin' Ted and Little Marco who are his Republican opponents. Trump is a fighter and he is going to fight for America and the American people which is why the world's bureaucrats and EU political class and the likes of Blair and all the rest of the international class of bigwigs are frightened of a Trump victory. Trump says "isn't it amazing, everyone who has come for me has gone down, wouldn't that be great for our country, if it happened for our country?".

'Can you truly say that you think his speeches bring people together?'

Absolutely. That is why Trump attracts the biggest crowds in history, people queue for hours and drive for hundreds of miles to hear him speak. Yesterday he held a rally in Ohio at 9.30am. People queued up since 11.30 pm the night before to get a place for the next day's rally at 9.30 am. All just to hear a political speech when you can hear tens of similar speeches he has done elsewhere on youtube without queuing up at all. But the reason the people queue overnight to hear Trump say what they have heard him say so many times before is because they want to be "united" in a crowd of tens of thousands, they want to cheer "USA USA USA" and "Trump Trump Trump" and wave banners like "the silent majority stands with Trump" and "make America great again" alongside thousands of other American citizens because it is fun to be "united" and to see a politician working for them for a change, telling them he will bring the jobs back to them, create wealth and prosperity for them and to hell with the international political class and the corrupt political elite who say it is impossible and it can't be done. People know it can be done and that Trump will do it.

'To me it feels more like those who follow me and the enemy, not reaching out for all. '

That is the impression the media is trying to generate because the elites are petrified of what is happening as they watch numbers they have never dreamed of turning up to stump for Trump. Trump is reaching out to all Americans. He doesn't give a hoot about Blair, the EU political class, the Mexican government, the Chinese government, the Saudis and the media. All Trump cares about is the American people and that is why they are turning out in droves to support him.

'His speech is inflamatory, instead, and it's not surprising that it's created the current state of confrontation. '

It is not inflammatory. He has said that Mexico is sending rapists and drug dealing criminals to America, he says they don't vet and stop them before they come to America. He doesn't mean all Mexicans. The media is trying overtime to paint him as an inflammatory racist because the system wants to stop him winning. He does speak bluntly and toughly and he does say stupid things that are untrue but he is not inflammatory or the system could prosecute him. As Trump said yesterday, it is only in the last few days (just days before the crucial Tuesday primaries) that the media has all jumped on the bandwagon of "confrontation" when Trump has been holding huge rallies for six months with hundreds of thousands of people and very few people have been hurt at a rally with so many people attending. The confrontation and the coverage of it in the last few days is orchestrated by MoveOn and the organisers and brains behind them who have threatened Trump and his supporters in an attempt to swing the elections on Tuesday because the system is petrified that Trump will win.

'Do you think other candidates don't have hecklers? Look up how differently they dealt with them. '

They don't get any hecklers. There are no hecklers at Lyin' Ted's rallies or Little Marco's because hardly anyone is there and the Establishment is not scared of those candidates so they don't send rent-a-mobs to disrupt those rallies. In fact they want those candidates to beat Trump so they send party hacks with banners to those rallies to boost their numbers for the TV cameras, while protestors turn up to disrupt Trump. Bernie did have some Black Lives Matter protestors interrupt and take over the stage in one of his rallies and they stopped him speaking totally. Trump says that will never happen to him. But some political analysts say that some of the people who fund Black Lives Matter are for Hillary and not for Bernie.

'He has asked for it. He can't complain when it happens. And neither should you.

Rubbish. It is a democracy where peaceful political gatherings are part of the freedoms that the American people fought the Britiish King for a few hundred years ago. Trump never asked for left wing agitators to disrupt his speeches. This is what MoveOn said

"Mr. Trump and the Republican leaders who support him and his hate-filled rhetoric should be on notice after tonight’s events.
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Our country is better than the shameful, dangerous, and bigoted rhetoric that has been the hallmark of the Trump campaign. To all of those who took to the streets of Chicago, we say thank you for standing up and saying enough is enough. To Donald Trump, and the GOP, we say, welcome to the general election. Trump and those who peddle hate and incite violence have no place in our politics and most certainly do not belong in the White House."

These unelected groups working for the billionaire and system's interests in trying to shut down the freedoms and subvert the political process of law abiding Americans are going to get a shock when Trump gets in because Trump will go after the brains behind them, the organisers, the money and the billionaires who back them. He said "we've gotta get tough, or we're not gonna have a country anymore". Trump will use legal means to shut down groups that infringe the rights of free Americans to hold political rallies and who intimidate groups, including children, who turn up to hear a politician speak. The backers and the funders of these movements will probably face legal measures if they were part of an organised attempt to disrupt free speech and the free assembly that is part of the political process that allows the American people to elect the President of their choice.

This is what MoveOn said

"Trump and those who peddle hate and incite violence have no place in our politics and most certainly do not belong in the White House."

They have no right to dictate to the American people or any political candidate what is going to happen in America. Trump will go after their financial backers.

'It's the revolution. It's sibling against sibling. It's neighbour against neighbour. It's children against parents.'

It is a peaceful political revolution as former Governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee said. There is no division, the people are united which is why the system is petrfified of what is happening. As billionaire Ken Langone said on Fox business to Neil Cavuto "look at the numbers, Neil .... if those guys [the Republican elite] are the Establishment, then they oughta be worried". It is democracy, it is peaceful, voters are turning out in their droves and some financial backers have set the left wing agitators loose to try and subvert the democratic process and intimidate law abiding people but it is not going to work.

On Tuesday we will find out what the people wanted in the great democratic process that allows the people to choose the government they want.