They have executed Saddam Hussein

[mummydear]

He's dead

here

Now lets see what happens .

Greeny I agree totally that they are as bad which was why I used "" around the words fact and are as bad.

Bush and Blair are as bad as Saddam Hussein?

Utter bollocks (sorry!)

and bush and blair are much worse than just good men standing by doing nothing.

i'm sure the parents and wives and children of men incarcerated without trail, with no way of knowing if and when they will ever be released, being tortured (and the sanctioning of the torture methods used goes all the way to the very top) and kept in inhumane conditions at guantanamo (and in terms of imprisonment without trail at belmarsh), would agree.

i hate the way that these subjects have become boring and only now come up when there is big news like today. there are appalling atrocities being committed as we speak in the name of our democracy. in our names. but as long as we focus on saddam we can forget all that. he was evil after all. if we keep our attention on that then we don't have to look at the fact that we are the good men doing nothing that burke and martin luther king talked about.

jools why? because they are white, speak english and don't get their hands personally dirty??

In what way is torture and murder 'less evil' because you do it to people in other countries than your own?
Nobody here - nobody - is saying Saddam wasn't sadistic, cruel and tyrannical. Of course he was. That's why the US wanted him to lead Iraq. It is NOT why it wanted to remove him.
I have not been to Iraq (was reading The Arabian Nights to ds yesterday who asked if we could go to Baghdad...) but those who are there seem to say that life for the vast majority is not better now.

I think that I should be more upset that someone's been killed, really, even if they were unspeakably evil. I do think the killing was wrong.

'nobody - is saying Saddam wasn't sadistic, cruel and tyrannical. Of course he was. That's why the US wanted him to lead Iraq. It is NOT why it wanted to remove him. '

never a truer word...

I'm also not sure that when you are naked, raped, savaged by dogs, nearly drowned, beaten and electrocuted you worry that much about how much your torturer actively enjoys his job.

In a fair trial he should have been able to call Bush snr and Rumsfelt to describe how they actively supported him while he was committing mass murder.

Well they were democratically elected for one thing! WE elected them (well not me personally you understand).

Does it really need explaining?

You'll be telling me next that Bush and Blair are as bad as Hitler [rolls eyes].

that makes what they are doing worse doesn't it jools??? the fact that it is in all of our names?

I am really not sure that being elected means you are good. You mention Hitler, for example...

Utterly barbaric

What have we come to?

Hi Aloha - I'm going out now but will read your links with interest. Good to see you back

Don't know if she's still alive, but can't help thinking of his mum , just like I think of the mums of all the other people killed in Iraq

personally I don;t think the x and Y are as bad as z thing is particularly productive. I think they detract from the key points - there are objective frameworks by which to measure these things - moral and legal ones - and, although I admit I come from a particular stand point, I think it far more important to measure in these objective absolute terms, rather then setting one against the other.

This worries me so much.

Hate the POntius Pilate attitude of B, B and rumsfeld - 'nothing to do with us, this is Iraqui justice' etc.

I am anti death penalty anyway but in this circumstance- the civil war which has been looming for so long will surely happen now. I mean it will be officially civil war- has been this for a while of course.

Just in time for the 'Allies' to withdraw troops and let the Iraqui govt cope alone.

The whole thing STINKS.

(Great links Aloha, and good to see some real, reasoned, informed debate on mn again.)

Aviatrix - glad someone else picked up on the fact that Bush's election was anything but democratic!!!! The "United" States my arse!!

I'm surprised they weren't so tasteless as to dress him in an orange jumpsuit.

There is no difference between those murderers and these. I have lost all faith in Blair now, there was a modicum left - I am just horrified by this