Women's safety in Europe after Cologne

[DavidTCDaviesMP]

I have been invited onto Mumsnet to discuss the situation for women in Europe following the attacks in Cologne, and the challenge we face in Europe in trying to help millions of mainly young men, who are arriving in Europe from cultures which treat women very differently. I believe this is an issue which needs open discussion by political leaders yet is swept under the carpet. David Davies MP

"Surely this needs to be framed as 'this is the law' - because it is. We cannot have a case of 'this is the law unless you come from a cultural situation that trumps all other considerations'."

sadly this approach is currently failing in regards to FGM.

Another question:
By taking the decision out of the hand of European citizens, who did not vote for Ms Merkel, and encouraging an unprecedented influx of migrants in a disorderly fashion, which has resulted in the disturbance of peace in several European countries: did Ms Merkel act unlawfully and could she be tried for this?

Kummerspeck - you can vote for people who want to speak up - and withhold your vote from anyone who wont.

Hello Mr Davies,

I don't think anyone with a half a braincell would ever argue against cultural education insofar as a causa est in defending the rights of women, and other vulnerable members of society, ours, and others.

How do you feel though, about the sometimes very obvious hijacking of this issue by the far right in order to flame racial hatred? Do you worry that a very laudable campaign to protect the vulnerable might backfire in the wake of groups/organisations/publications like Gateway Pundit getting hold of certain stories and manipulating the hell out of them?

Thankyou!

unlucky83 mumsnet represent a lot of people (or voters to MPs) Mumsnet could take this up, ask delegations to visit their local MP, recirculate the petition, people power takes time but I believe it can work.

Mumsnet don't seem keen to take it up either. I've already asked. This is not an official Mumsnet webchat - that's the limit of their support.

noagendahereatall we should not allow the far right to own this issue. it should be owned by the democratic centre - Lab Cons LD and others. We "own" it by discussing it, as we are now and condemning extremists.

bungowomble - maybe someone should set up worriedmums&dadsnet.com and take up this and similar issues...

Mr Davies - You havent answered my question back there about the current mass migration being part of a longterm plan such as a One World govt. Did you believe the reason that Mrs Merkel gave at the time, i.e. low birth rate, not enough in future pension pot. It sounded daft to me then and still does, because the majority of these migrants will never be tax payers.

Mumsnet are being PC on this one. It amazes me that they won't champion women's safety.....

Could you raise your own concerns at PM questions? I feel it could reassure the whole country to be honest that you are all singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak.

you can vote for people who want to speak up

Those who traditionally spoke up for anyone whose rights were being abused have turned their faces away from women in favour of actively promoting the rights of other minority groups, whose values frequently contradict the hard-won rights of women to be equals.

To the point where I wonder if those politicians (and I include female MPs and MEPs here) agree that women should be modestly dressed, remain away from public spaces and become silent, and that misogyny is being wheeled right back into the mainstream groupthink under the guise of 'inclusion' and 'multi culture.'

So for whom do we vote?

Do you think there is anything specific the EU could do with regard to the boats crossing the Med that would make a difference to the numbers setting off?

you can vote for people who want to speak up - and withhold your vote from anyone who wont

Ha, that leaves no one to vote for, or the risk of voting in the far right.

BTW thank you for agreeing to this webchat.

Mumsnet HQ wouldn't even have you on an official webchat. So there is no chance of anything else.

Still incredible disappointed in MNHQ

MNHQ didn't actually refuse to make this thread a sticky in Active - but you'll note it isn't a sticky in Active. I'm glad they're letting us have this web chat, but I'm not impressed at the utter failure of MNHQ to pick up and run with a serious concern about women's safety.

This is not even in trending or DOTD (no - astrology is more important!)

brittekland I don't generally believe in political conspiracies - they take a lot of organisation, and people who can keep their mouths shut. I have been in politics for 16 years - long enough to know that you don't come across these skills very often in governments!

"A country that recognises equal rights for women and gays is better than a country which does not. End of story."

Soundbyte of the day!

Mr Davies - I just wanted to thank you for speaking out on this subject, when so many are silent.

Mumsnet, like everyone else, is very aware of being called racist. The petition was delayed by the difficulty of finding among the many women discussing it, the necessary person able to share their name publically in relation to the petition without putting their career at risk. Many of us work in places or situations where to go 'off message' in this way, to say these things, is a real and severe risk.

JanuaryBrown in some European cities women are already having to dress modestly. Regardless of what the law may say they have lost their rights.
the link below is for short documentary on what it is like to live as a women in a suburb of Brussels. awful.

Today 13:41 seeThereWeAreThen

Why is it not possible for an MP to bring this question up at PM question time?

Also Inkanta has asked the same.

How many subjects have had 9 threads - that's >8,000 posts on mumsnet...ever....and still MNHQ are too timid to grab this issue and run with it so we can get some publicity and get it discussed. .

Mr. Davies. Can I ask what the actual 'processing procedure' is right now?

Are people just literally arriving en masse, without papers? Just 'hanging out' so to speak?

Is there any control around who enters Europe at all?

What are we going to do about them all, since they're here now? We see plenty of news reports about them on the move, or being blocked entry at Hungarian borders, but what is the reality like? Does anyone know?

The Cologne attacks appear to have been perpetrated by people with papers. What is the situation with ones with no papers? Are they being 'absorbed' by relatives/friends/friends of friends and being put to work illegally?

Have we a higher duty to our own most vulnerable (homeless etc.) or to vulnerable immigrants?

Where do you see this ending up? If Britain exits Europe, do you see a different scenario to the current fiasco unfolding?

I think we're about out of time... David, thank you for posting on this thread and sticking your head above the parapet on this issue. We don't want it owned by the far Right, but if other mainstream politicians don't get into gear, it will be.

And the consequences will be terrible.

Again thank you for your time .
Earlier in the tread you said that any migrant who was proved to have sexually attacked someone would be deported .
I think this is what makes people so angry , because over and over we hear that this is not the case.
I would like to think that if we try to help people that they would live by our laws . Until the public believe that criminals are being deported , then I believe there will be a building distrust and negative attitude to migrants

I think we need to put the petition on Care2, and this will allow us to rewrite and enlarge on the content too.