Women's safety in Europe after Cologne

[DavidTCDaviesMP]

I have been invited onto Mumsnet to discuss the situation for women in Europe following the attacks in Cologne, and the challenge we face in Europe in trying to help millions of mainly young men, who are arriving in Europe from cultures which treat women very differently. I believe this is an issue which needs open discussion by political leaders yet is swept under the carpet. David Davies MP

Actually her repetition of left-wing social justice warrior propaganda views are mainstream on this particular website. In the GP? I'm not so sure. 4 million said "no thanks".

I'm still waiting for your list of countries oh emily.

So Bill, you percieve people that 'agree' and support your petition to be those that don't support refugees? I'm sure that makes it look really attractive.

No emily I perceived that your comment suggested that people weren't supporting the petition because they share your pro refugee views. I was just pointing out that if the polls are to be believed most people don't. You're in a minority.

What do foster families in Kent have to do with the child soldier Emma Thompson helped? All I can see is that services there are stretched and cildren often encountering hostility and complex bureaucracy.

Go on emily, if you keep on trawling back a few pages I'm sure you can find one or two shaky points you can have a stab at disputing. While you ignore all the other valid criticisms of your posts and requests for clarification.

I think people are put off by the obvious xenophobia and irrational hate toward Muslims.

Hahaha. The petition is so very deliberately careful not to be xenophobic. It doesn't mention the race of those involved, it doesn't even ask for any action based on the religion/race/ethnicity of the people involved. It just talks about strengthening legislation on women's rights and if anything deliberately avoids the things you're claiming.

You're just trying to change the subject because you're incapable of engaging with or rebutting criticism of your views. You're very transparent emily.

@Emily- "have any of you"", what's with your constant attacks and hectoring of what, everybody on here? Like we're one lumpen, homogenous mass rather thsn hundreds of different people putting differeng views from you. Breathtakingly arrogant and wins you no friends, don't you see! Win hearts and minds, don't bludgeon people over the head with the (unfounded) righteousness of your views. Even if i agreed with you ;which I don't) i am so massively off -put by the manner of your posts

Glen added to the first list like so:

Saira Kahn
Rape Crisis
Womens Aid
Tom Break
Alistair Carmichael
Baroness Jane Bonham-Carter
Helena Bonham Carter
Lord Johnathan Marks
Baroness Meral Hussein-Ece
Hilary Benn
Maria Eagle
Lord Falconer
Karl Turner
Chris Bryant
Jonathan Ashworth
Michael Gove
Philip Hammond
Baroness Stowell
John Whittingdale
Chris Grayling
Suzanne Evans

More for The List. The following are members of European Parliamentary Labour Party (EPLP). Remember Honeyball?

East Midlands Glenis Willmott

East of England Richard Howitt

London Lucy Anderson,Seb Dance, Mary Honeyball, Claude Moraes

NE England Judith Kirton-Darling, Paul Brannen

NW England Theresa Griffin, Afzal Khan, Julie Ward

Northern Ireland None

Scotland David Martin, Catherine Stihler

SE England Anneliese Dodds

SW England Clare Moody

Wales Derek Vaughan

Oh dear emily - are you actually serious? You don't know what's happening with fostered "refugee" children in e.g., Kent (I choose Kent because it's been more reported there than elsewhere) ? Seriously? You don't know? And yet you wish others to open their homes.

What it has in common my dear is that not all children are equal in terms of behaviour - many of these children are deeply, deeply troubled - we're not talking about 50p going missing from your purse.

I find it hard to comprehend how ignorant you are in 2016 in the freedom of information age.

I also asked which countries (I assume there's more than one given the 1.6 billion) in which Islam is a predominant force gives women, children and gays equal rights with men. I'm genuinely interested to find out because then I'll understand more how we can help transform those falling below the mark.

Unfortunately a good handful of that list of celebs would definitely not support us - regressive left and all that. Lots of rending of cloth about which marginalized group to support - but when push came to shove would call us racist, grey-faced cake eaters.

But Bill, people will look at the content of the threads the petition has come from.

Movingon, there have been numerous xenophobic comments, Britt's standing out to me as especially noxious. The only comment picking up on them apart from me and TwistedReach was a 'ffs'. So perhaps not so much a homogenous mass, but certainly a group that doesn't much care if the far right hops on for the ride.

Oh so we're there again. There has been criticism of your views, inconsistencies and manipulations have been pointed out, and people have asked you to answer questions to back up you claims. You can't answer them. So you're just falling back on the old 'You're all raaaaaaacists' to cover up your complete lack of coherent argument.

Grace I actually don't know what's happened in Kent re foster children. Do you have any links?

Bill you're on it today. No flies on you kid! ;)

hi cellar - sorry I don't want to do much in the way of googling because the words you have to punch in bring up results you don't even want to skim read. But in a nutshell, you might not want to foster a "child refugee" if you have a pubescent daughter in the house. Or perhaps even a son. Or perhaps even be in the house yourself if your partner is out.

Unfortunately a too frequent scenario in that male claims to be of x age, long-term and known foster carer to KCC (Kent County Council) takes emergency placement of poor, displaced child. Child turns out to be grown man who abuses family child(ren).

That doesn't take into account either the children who have been through god knows what trauma but do not understand what is "normal" anymore. :(

It was spoken about on one of the main boards on AIBU/Chat at some point - sorry, I can't remember when.

I agree, Grace - the luvvies wont support. Just reproducing the lists I can see in old threads.

I am also adding:

Dr Taj Hargey, Chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre, Oxford.
Andrew Neil @afneil
Maajid Nawaz @MaajidNawaz
Jon Snow @jonsnowC4
Nazir Afzal, ex head of CPS NW England.
Masih Alinejad, Iranian journalist - Facebook page “My Stealthy Freedom” has 1 million followers.

Britt is far right according to emily?
Reported.

Grace - I can sadly corroborate that, as a foster carer

Everybody take note!!

How to deal with a poster like Emily - watch how Bill does it man-to-man.

Let Bill be your role model today.

Thank you.

Grace, thats horrible. I genuinely hadn't heard about any of that. Yet some on here call others "abhorrent" because they don't want to expose children to abuse. Where is the condemnation of the actual abusers?

"Britt is far right according to emily?" What with my background, Lumela?! Dearie me. Will her vendetta ever stop.

*Sorry, not "some", one person on here