Women's safety in Europe after Cologne

[DavidTCDaviesMP]

I have been invited onto Mumsnet to discuss the situation for women in Europe following the attacks in Cologne, and the challenge we face in Europe in trying to help millions of mainly young men, who are arriving in Europe from cultures which treat women very differently. I believe this is an issue which needs open discussion by political leaders yet is swept under the carpet. David Davies MP

Oh, okay, Bill. I missed that bit.

THEY'RE ALL SOURCING THAT STATISTIC FROM THE SAME SINGLE BIASED REPORT.

It's called Challengers from the Sidelines by Perlinger. Have a google of some of the criticism of it. Took me two minutes to find it, you don't even know what you're quoting from numb nuts.

Interesting posting, Long, thank you.

Emily, worldwide, Islamic extremists are responsible for hundreds of thousand of deaths. You are deliberately limiting your statistics to the U.S. because it's the only place where other groups kill more (if you conveniently exclude 9/11). Anyone with a brain can see through these attempts at obsfication of the facts.

emily you dipstick, that 'TIME' article covers exactly the same period you were claiming there were 254 deaths due to the far right, but says that there were only 48 deaths! You're contradicting yourself!

That link (which seems to have a fairer and more balanced definition of what constitutes terrorism and is more explicit about what it includes) shows the number of attacks since 9/11 as pretty evenly split. 45 Islamic to 48 far right.

securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

If the best you can do is an article which directly contracts all the other claims you've made, you really need to start wondering whether chucking round insults calling other posters dumb is justified. You can't even flippin' read and understand your own links!

Grace, I must say I am horrified at your comments on Emma Thompson's adoption. It displays a very callous attitude to people adopting children from damaged backgrounds. Surely it is better to try to integrate children with such horrific experiences? Seeing compassion for a child is described as 'folly' is truly sad.

'It also brings us back to resources, the warriors will cry we need an army of psychologists to help these children - but where do these resources come from and/or funded? At which point do the GP become irked when "little John Smith from Bracknell" cannot be assessed for e.g., ASD when all resources are being spent on others'.

It brings me back to the point that investment and government are the problem, not immigrants or damaged and abused children.

From 1989 to Jan 2016 Muslim terror attacks worldwide.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

*investment and government are the problem, not immigrants or damaged and abused children."

Government does not have any money of its own. The money it holds is collected from taxpayers. If that agreement between State and Citizen is ruptured, there will be less £ in the kitty.

Britt Forgive me because it's been many years since she told me the story. If memory serves me right there were 32 women detained, of which 6 have never seen their passports again, and a few of the women were never seen again - she tells me they withdrew from university with immediate effect. I surmise the reason she had her passport removed was because she was intelligent and articulate and highly unlikely to have capitulated!

I was only 20 when she told me and I could not comprehend what she meant. Coming from the UK where the feminists of the 60s and 70s were something my mother spoke of but which seemed irrelevant to me - I simply couldn't comprehend that she could lose her passport for simply speaking up.

message invalid?? anyone know what means

Oh for the love of god - do you know what a child soldier is? I wouldn't bring one into my house with my children.

Once again, your capacity for understanding is shown lacking - as you focus on semantics as opposed to scenario. You have nothing to say about the risk of bringing a child soldier into a family - instead you busy yourself quacking about use of the word "folly" - which it fucking is. I refer you back to foster families in Kent.

Ho ho ho. Ignore all the criticism you can't answer and focus on a side point from a few pages back and just hope nobody notices.

Lumela/ Bill re the veering into US pie charts and the rest:

My child's primary class output has jarring and incongruous references to US throughout. I have diagnosed reliance on Wikipedia! It worries me.

No cellar, I was responding to Britt's comments re terroism in the US,which is why I responded with US statistics.

January Here is the list of people that Glenthebattleostrich produced on thread 7:

Category Name

PoliticiansDavid Cameron
PoliticiansGeorge Osbourne
PoliticiansJeremy Corbyn
PoliticiansTeressa May
PoliticiansWilliam Hauge
PoliticiansMaria Miller
PoliticiansNicky Morgan
PoliticiansEsther Vay
PoliticiansStella Creasey
PoliticiansNicola Stugen
PoliticiansLeanne Wood
Kate Smurthwaite
PoliticiansCaroline Lucas
PoliticiansNatalie Bennett
PoliticiansJenny Jones
PoliticiansTim Fallon
PoliticiansHarriet Harman
PoliticiansYvette Cooper
PoliticiansDvid Davies
PoliticiansZac Goldsmith
PoliticiansKate Green
OrganisationsWomens Institute (WI)
OrganisationsLabour Equality Team
OrganisationsMuslim Feminists
OrganisationsMuslim Womens Network UK (MWNUK)
OtherShaista Gohir
PoliticiansPatricia Hewitt
PoliticiansHillary Clinton
Lena Dunham
Grimes
Cate Blanchett
Jessica Ennis Hill
Claire Danes
Dawn O Porter
Glosswitch
Julie Bindel
Julia Long
Miranda Yardley
Germaine Greer
Angelina Jolie
Emma Watson
Katy Price
Jeremy Clarkson
Patrick Stewart
Victoria Derbyshire
JK Rowling
Polly Dunbar
Sarah Ditum
Rachel Johnson
Jessica MacAllin
Hamed Abdel-Samad
John Gaunt
Allison Pearson
Melanie Philips
Janet Street PorterMatthew Parris
VloggerEmma Blackery
VloggerRebecca Brown
VloggerLuke Cutforth
VloggerZoella
Charlotte Church
Glenda Jackson
Richard Littlejohn
Nick Ferrari
PoliticiansPam Cameron
PoliticiansSylvia Herman
Madonna
India Knight
Caitlin Moran
Emma Thompson
Stephen Fry
Sandy Toksvig
Samantha Cameron

Ok, that's fair enough. Why exclude 9/11 though? Also, the time article you posted has vastly different numbers.

For what it's worth, I don't think murders and bombings of abortion clinics are a small thing. They are a direct attack on womens freedoms and in that sense are comparable with the cologne attacks IMO.

"Ho ho ho. Ignore all the criticism you can't answer and focus on a side point from a few pages back and just hope nobody notices."

Spot on! Not very elegant Emily. You also failed to answer my questions from a few pages back.

Also, I'm not sure how you can use the existence of a small number of "Christian" terrorists to erase the threat of Islamic violence, which is significantly larger worldwide. It could be argued that the U.S. is slightly safer from homegrown Islamic terror attacks in part because of their strict immigration policy.

The IRA werent commiting atrocities in the name of the catholic religion btw and were not a catholic organisation. I suggest you do some further reading if that's what you think.

I'm not sidestepping anything, merely highlighting yet another abhorrent comment noone else on this thread cares to pick up on.

Have any of you wondered why your petition has so little support?

"No cellar, I was responding to Britt's comments re terroism in the US, which is why I responded with US statistics."

Emily, I never started a post about terrorism in the USA.

On p.27 I said “the worst I have heard a Christian fundamentalist doing is shooting abortion doctors. And being harassed, sporting, by the Born Agains hardly equates to the terrorist outrages, or the Mumbai killings in 2008, etc.”

You then provided us statistics, and I pointed out (at 16:10) those were only for the US, not worldwide.

Its abhorrent to protect your own children and not want to bring a child soldier into your home? Ffs

Often it helps to look at what terrorists call themselves: Provisional Irish Republican Army for example.

Cellar I''m advertising for a child soldier right away! I want one as well.

Probably because it's all a bit vague. I think if a few less words had been minced it might have been better supported. And it's not been massively publicised outside or even on MN.

It's not because people agree with you emily. 4 in 5 don't.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/refugee-crisis-poll-shows-support-has-slumped-for-syrians-in-britain-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-a6739281.html

I wonder why you persist then Emily.

Your pov is the mainstream, you are the "winner" if you !ike. So why keep posting?