Cologne Sexual Assaults IX and David Davies Web Chat

[LumelaMme]

On New Year's Eve women in Cologne were amongst those who were sexually assaulted and robbed in mass attacks.
This is a link to the last thread which has links to all the others.

Some of us have begun a petition asking the government to uphold women's rights and freedoms:

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We also hope that tomorrow, Monday 8th February, David TC Davies MP will be on MN for a web chat between 1pm and 2pm - it should be a sticky on either Chat or In The News. David was one of the few MPs who has shown any interest in this whole issue and who has responded sympathetically to those of us concerned about women's rights in a changing world.

I suppose if she gets the message across to more people that there are people (not just women) ready to resist then it might encourage others to think differently. People need to feel that Daesh are not going to win ultimately and we need to support that.

From DW www.dw.com/en/turkey-greece-seek-nato-mission-in-aegean-says-german-official/a-19041523

Someone posted this on my linkedin a while ago; it reminded me of some comments on this thread, makes you wonder if we are all being had...

while I respect what Kurdish women fighters are doing, I don't think we should loose sight of what the kurds are ,and have been, fighting for - an independent Kurdisatan, taken from chunks of Turkey, and 2 other countries (Iraq is one I think). If the Syrian conflict is ever resolved, we will then have a heavily armed group of kurds ready to attack to fulfil their own agenda.

I think there has to be acceptance that there are an awful lot of agendas in this war, many of the surrounding states do seem to have their own vested interests. The region has always been politically very messy. How to sort it out so that it returns to something approaching normality, now there's the difficulty...

OMG sport who is the man on the picture?

And juxtapose the Yazidi women with the moron from Switzerland who used her position as a prison officer to release a rapist and ISIS supporter from jail.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/643048/Prison-officer-joins-evil-Islamic-State-freeing-migrant-rapist-Syria-she-fell-for

sporting Ah yes, Globalisation, One World Govt, New World Order. it has several names. If you look at footage from the last American presidential election (the one that brought Obama in) you will hear a repeating phrase used in his speeches, and actually, in other candidates' too: We need a new world order.

Blair and Brown have also used that phrase several times, as has Cameron.

It doesn't say, guy that posted it is a yoga teacher. Just thought some of it chimed with what people had being saying about us being manipulated for other interests - it is quite scary - the concept not the old bloke!

sporting That old bloke is KISINGER, one of the founding fathers of globalisation. He has been and still is involved with every USA President elect.

I've heard of him, just not seen a pic before. He is quite scary then, but not the appearance especially, just ancient.

It does make you wonder if we have any choice about any of it? Maybe women's rights are not part of the new world order either...

Sporting HENRY KISSINGER is clearly out of your history. He is Austrian born and was Secretary of State and Security Adviser for several presidents. (As he is foreign-born he can never stand for election for president himself). He is deeply embedded in USA wars and manouvres of every kind. He is one of the people worldwide who is pushing for a NWO. NWO is not a conspiracy - many journalist have written about it - but the form that it will take is up for heated debate.

Yes I've heard of some of this, but not really delved deeply DH has always been more into politics and philosophy. The quote just seemed to chime with there being so many agendas in what was happening. Many of the issues we've touched on through this thread all seem to be the tip of a giant iceberg and not a very clean one either. I've learnt a lot through this thread, most of the posters have brought a lot of information and viewpoints to the table even with certain parties trying to close down debate. If we cannot learn from each other and discuss difficult issues we have very little hope.

We have to be able to talk and discuss everything however unpleasant, however unlikely. Too many people cannot conceive of their world and life changing. It can change in a heartbeat, but it is beyond their imagination how that can come about, so they poo-poo everything.

And what I really cannot abide on this thread from some is the faux outrage, the faux offence, pretending what a dreadful thing has been posted - all in an effort to either skew the direction of debate or to discredit a poster.

Brit but this must in other new threads I feel. You can start one.

Brit interesting you raised the matters about Kissinger en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Family_and_personal_life He was born in Weimar Republic. In 1938, fleeing Nazi persecution, his family moved to London, England, before arriving in New York on September 5.

Yes it can all change very quickly. My DH was a refugee from Angola in '74, my MIL says they fled with very little because it all happened so quickly. Never think it won't be you, because it can easily be.

That goes for being targeted because you are female too.

IMO, the Yazidi women fighting with the Peshmerga are incredibly brave but I wish to God they didn't have to. We have quite a few Kurdish students at the uni where I work. They have gone through complete, utter shit. It is very hard for Kurds to get visas to come and study over here. One girl was saying how much she'd love to bring her mum over for a visit, but even getting a short visa is nigh on impossible. They were treated like persona non grata in Iraq (by the government, not generally by Iraqis) to begin with, but with Isis things have got really, really bad.

It sounds shallow to say it, but the Kurds are an amazing people - such rich culture and heritage, such an interesting language (that Facebook can't translate). They are so much their own people even though they don't have their own country.

Brit I hope you have not misunderstood me. I want to expand on my post above where I said 'new threads'. I find the issues you raised quite interesting and broad and are worth discussing further either starting in new threads and expanding and or running parallel to this one generating further discussions. If you or somebody else like to do so I will follow the threads but if you wish to do so in this thread that is OK. As I said in a post on this page I am dyslexic and people may misunderstand me. I only post links when I can. If you want me to clarify something then ask me please.

Never think it won't be you, because it can easily be.
I grew up knowing this. My GPs had a lovely, settled, stable life with lots of family members living nearby, and the invasion started. Less than a month later, they were on the road. And it got worse from there.

ISIS men are afraid of Kurd women in battle because if a Kurd woman kills a Muslim man he will not ascend to heaven - esp. if she also beheads him! That's good; let their superstition be their undoing. The ferocity of the women is borne out of the extreme cruelty of the men. The cruelty of ISIS men has taken the soft edges of being a female away and what you are left with is focused fury.

guardianlv.com/2016/01/isis-reveals-vulnerability-to-kurdish-women/

I have used Kurd and Yazidi interchangeably and I don't think I should have. According to Wiki:

"According to the Human Rights Watch in 2009, the Yazidis are currently undergoing a process of Kurdification."

Yazidis are also called Yezidi, Daasin, or Ezidi, the Yazidi are a Kurdish-speaking ethnoreligious community based in Northern Iraq who practice a syncretic religion influenced by pre-Islamic Assyrian traditions, Sufi and Shiite Islam, Nestorian Christianity, and Zoroastrianism.

It's not a good sign if it's this bad with so many police.

The number of sexual offence complaints almost quadrupled at this year's carnival in Cologne, despite heightened security aimed at preventing a repeat of the mass assaults that marred the city's New Year celebrations.

A total of 66 complaints for sexual insults or aggression were lodged between last Thursday, when the carnival got underway, and Wednesday morning. The previous year there were 18 such reports, police said.

Outlining the incidents, police from Cologne and neighbouring Leverkusen said there had been 673 crimes reported.

In addition, 432 people ended up being taken into custody. Police said all these figures represented an increase on the year before.

Police also revealed they had to break up a mass brawl between asylum seekers and carnival goers when one of the refugees allegedly began to grope a teenage girl.

The violent incident, which left three people hospitalised, occurred at the end of this year's Cologne Carnival, which police have now confirmed resulted in more crimes.