Lumela quoted and AGREED with you, wemust. Lumela previously denied that a pregnant woman was beaten but now seems to acknowledge she WAS beaten and is comparing it to drowning? Seems you too now do the same and finally accept the beating of the woman WAS violent and abhorrent.
'You are justifying people being misled into making a journey which led to their deaths. This is what happened. You say they would have gone anyway, but why? Because they were informed that there would be a way to Germany if they did. The people who lied to them have blood on their hands and should be punished'
I don't think .refusing to hold all volounteers there responsible for the deaths is justifying it. There may have been more deaths if they hadn't tried to help them. Did you see how they were standing in the water trying to help them cross?
Do you think if the volounteers had said, 'No stop, back to the camp' everyone would have followed them meekly back? Refugees can make decisions and are determined to find sanctuary. They are not mere automatons waiting to be told what to do. They were DETERMINED to leave their tents and the mud, the poor sanitation, the mud, the faeces and hepatitis spreading. Do you think that escaping war means that they are happy with these conditions? Do you think they will happily languish in mud and not strive for something better?
They were trying DESPERATELY to reach safety, to get to a country with asylum policies where they would be protected. Instead the response they got was in blatant breach of its international obligations, "backed up" by officially racist, human rights defying approaches of the army. THAT'S what you should be concerned about. If the humans rights of the most vulnerable are shot to pieces like this, you can bet your uman rigts won't be respected either. Why are you so angry with volounteers and not with the governements that created this mess and did nothing but leave them in mud?
Stating that there were circumstances leading up to this, First World Waresque conditions ofmud and misery that have led to people having toes removed, is not justifying it.
'You say they would have gone anyway but why?'
Have a look at the conditions in that camp and have a think? Maybe they don't want their children to catch a dreadful disease and die. Maybe they don't want to stay indefinitely in a place where there is no hope. Maybe they will not give up the search for the safety they thought Europe would offer but failed to give and gave instead tasers and barbed wire.
To the poster calling me a leftist extremist, you're ridiculous.
'Asylum in the first country - those are the rules, and we either step up to the plate and set up processing centres in Greece, or just give up and do a Merkel'.
So you think a concentration of refugees in one place is going to work? I wonder how that will pan out? Oh, wait...