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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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vladimirsoftless · 07/02/2016 13:06

Petition

Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385

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AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 15/03/2016 21:58

one I think this is the tipping point isn't it.

Now we have seen the lengths these wicked people will go too, to further their political aims.

I dont know how you can wheedle them out.

Huge problems down to lack of information, its needs to be got out there that these wolves in sheeps clothing will not help them. That people DIE when they listen to them.

Reminds me of the scene in Far from Madding crowd, when sheep dog runs the sheep off the cliff.

AgainstTheGlock · 15/03/2016 21:59

It's interesting that the activists decided to lead the people through water - had they any form of cultural understanding they would know that MENA people don't do water - it was bound to end in disaster.

That's just another small example of difference in culture - such a shame those shouting loudest seem oblivious to such subtle nuances.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 15/03/2016 22:03

Does pointing out where they are from matter?

Perhaps not to you, But it matters to people who are engaged and worried about this crisis.

emilybohemia · 15/03/2016 22:10

'I've just remembered, wasn't it your husband who was helping at Idomeni? He must be utterly distraught - wanting to help those refugees but trying to stop the anarchists make them cross the river. I'm so sorry for your family - you must be broken wishing there were something you could've done to stop those deaths'.

My other half was there last year Glock, but the camp was cleared by police so they couldn't stay. The situation was very different then.

I don't think anyone was making them cross the river. Your hysterical talk of 'anarchists' is silly.

All the deaths have us broken, including the child that was electrocuted on the train line.

Do you seriously equate a volounteer teacher with a REAL school and proper facilities? Do you seriously think people that happen to agree on amumsnet thread are 'closely aligned'.

I think someone from Pakistan can be a refugee Lumela. We now have a situation where people are sent back Afghanistan which is pretty shit.

Moreshabbythanchic · 15/03/2016 22:13

What are they fleeing from in Pakistan?

Indigofactory · 15/03/2016 22:16

I don't think anyone was making them cross the river. Your hysterical talk of 'anarchists' is silly

Love, a whole slew of professional journalists disagree.

Maybe spend some of your swathes of free time reading real newspaper reports of empirical observations instead?

Happy to post some links if you can't find any.

Limer · 15/03/2016 22:20

Wanting to emigrate from somewhere that's "pretty shit" isn't grounds for claiming asylum.

emilybohemia · 15/03/2016 22:47

depends on your definition of pretty shit

MrsGradyOldLady · 15/03/2016 22:56

You can't argue with Emily - it's absolutely pointless. Emily has mastered "doublethink" and therefore both her contradictory views are equally avoid.

Yes I've just read 1984. I would recommend it to anyone. Especially you Emily -I think you'd like it.

MrsGradyOldLady · 15/03/2016 22:56

Valid

emilybohemia · 15/03/2016 22:59

I prefer their won words, the words of the volounteers.

'Yes that's me and yes we're passing a 20 day old baby over freezing water because we chose to.
I've gotten a lot of hate in the past 24 hours for being there and "assisting" these people through this dangerous journey.
It's very easy for all of you to judge, sitting on your couch, watching the news. Making speculations.
Very easy when you are not on ground trying to limit the suffering and the desperation.
Yes I know it was stupid, and yes I have too spent over 10 hours along with another 60 journalists and volunteers in the Skopje police center for crossing illegally over to the other side.
And hands off to those that put their cameras aside in order to help with the safe passage.
And finally Yes- I have conflicting thoughts about all the events that took place last night.
But I don't care, and if I could go back I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Because with all my will and because with alI my strength I couldn't convince nor stop 3.000 people that would rather die trying to cross rather than die in that forsaken place we call a camp where we have left them to rot.

Because we are not activists, and we are not smugglers and we are not taking advantage or pushing anyone to do anything they hadn't already decided to do.

Because we are human, and because they deserve a chance, and a better life and simply because who are we to question that?'

emilybohemia · 15/03/2016 23:02

own words

VertigoNun · 15/03/2016 23:11

I live in England where there is free speech and I can question if I like. I question someone going back to repeat drownings and the distress on the faces of those innocent children yesterday.

TheNewStatesman · 15/03/2016 23:33

Lumela, you are wasting your time posting that Pew report and asking from a response from Emily. It has been posted a couple of times before. She ignored it.

emilybohemia · 15/03/2016 23:37

Another testimony from a volounteer wich, like the other, suggests this was the decision of the refugees.

'Yesterday refugees in Idomeni finally got sick of the horrendous conditions in the camp. It turned into a procession of 2000 people walking through mountains, crossing fast flowing rivers, attempting to get to Macedonia. Grandparents dragged through the mud in wheelchairs, blind fathers led by their kids, infants on parents back. Faced by a river, they decided to cross and I saw the greatest sight of my life. Refugee, aid worker and volunteer forming a human chain to get everyone safely across. During it I took off my Wellington Boots to film. They somehow got lost in the pandemonium. A Syrian man offered me his shoes. Couldn't take them of course. The next 8km walked bare foot. Heard a huge roar ahead. Pressed on with everyone, entered a wood in Macedonian territory. Got close enough to see about 1000 refugees sat down in a field. Surrounded by soldiers. At that point armed soldiers emerged out of nowhere in the woods. Arrested. Camera confiscated. But managed to slip out the SD card in the commotion. Small victory of camera over gun. Was scared but British sense of humour kicked in as marched through the mud by armed soldiers with no shoes. Anxiety increased as 2 refugees hospitalised by Macedonian police last week. Macedonia border all mud and tanks and barbed wire and scary frustrated soldiers. Dressed like RoboCop. Walked through more refugees sitting down, surrounded by soldiers - a 1000 or so. Saw no violence, but the atmosphere was grey, military and oppressive.'

Moreshabbythanchic · 15/03/2016 23:48

But they didn't just wander off on the off chance they could find a route, they were told where to go and led by people with dubious motives.

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 16/03/2016 00:02

"Another testimony from a volounteer wich, like the other, suggests this was the decision of the refugees"

Ah ok. So it was just a coincidence they crossed where these leaflets advised them to if they wanted to get to Germany? The leaflets that also said it was safe to cross when it was anything but?

I'm actually surprised you arent blaming far right groups for infiltrating the activists and leading these people to their deaths Hmm

Moreshabbythanchic · 16/03/2016 00:12

Don't speak too soon Wemust, it wont be long.

unlucky83 · 16/03/2016 00:35

So these volunteers are all denying the fact that the fliers exist...telling them where to go, telling them they would be snet back to Turkey if they didn't leave, telling them if they moved en masse they couldn't be stopped and that buses were waiting to take them to Germany..
I hope they are all identified from the photos in the papers and made to face up to the fact they have blood on their hands...
Especially the first volunteer - poor me - everyone hates me, poor me I was in a police station for 10 hrs, me, me ,me ...we were just trying to help...and I'd encourage those people to risk their lives again tomorrow if I could feel equally as worthy...
Actually pretty sure I recognise the blond woman with dreads from 'The Bristol Skipchen' - seemed like they were doing a great job in the uk but politics seem to have got in the way of common sense ...especially as they are now seem to be buying food and not saving it from the bin...

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 01:19

I suppose the point is moreshabby, that the volounteers can't physically stop a mass of people with a will of their own. Neither can all volounteers be held responsible for the information they may have recieved. They did support them in what they chose to do.

Unlucky, they don't have blood on their hands. That is completely unfair. Perhaps examine the conditions that led to these disastrous choices. What alternatives do you think they have? Do you think it is right that refugees are suffering so much and getting trenchfoot and diseases from the squalid conditions? What would you do in that situation? Do you think mad situations lead poor choices?

TheNewStatesman · 16/03/2016 01:55

Still waiting for Em. to comment on the Pew survey.

(tumbleweeds.....)

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 16/03/2016 02:26

Emily

Those people didn't choose to make that crossing out of the blue, they were led to believe that it was a way in to Europe and that it was safe. Why are you ignoring this fact?

You support a group that would lead people to their deaths for a photo op and to further their agenda, simple as that. They do have blood on their hands

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WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 16/03/2016 03:52

"What do you think I am justifying, Lumela? I am simply stating that many of the refugees made the decision to march toward another border in their determination to be given the protection so far denied them. Volounteers went with them to help them. They could have stayed at the camp. The refugees would have gone anyway."

I said that, not Lumela.

You are justifying people being misled into making a journey which led to their deaths. This is what happened. You say they would have gone anyway, but why? Because they were informed that there would be a way to Germany if they did. The people who lied to them have blood on their hands and should be punished.