Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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I quoted from this article on the other thread too. I think it nails the dichotomy and thus the deafening, disgraceful silence.

We’ve been shocked, but not surprised. That the culprits were mostly of North African descent precludes any honest discussion among ‘progressives’ for fear of being deemed racist. The Swedish police hushed up similar events for the same reason: better to ignore or hide unhelpful or dangerous facts than to discuss the truth. Cowardice and evasion are par for the course when it comes to the liberal left these days, who are far more concerned with their public standing as caring ‘Good People’ – in contradistinction to conservatives, who are deemed selfish ‘Bad People’

fourmummy I'd you type "mass migration into Europe is unstoppable " into Google you can see the article without subscribing to FT

"We’ve been shocked, but not surprised. That the culprits were mostly of North African descent precludes any honest discussion among ‘progressives’ for fear of being deemed racist. The Swedish police hushed up similar events for the same reason: better to ignore or hide unhelpful or dangerous facts than to discuss the truth. Cowardice and evasion are par for the course when it comes to the liberal left these days, who are far more concerned with their public standing as caring ‘Good People’ – in contradistinction to conservatives, who are deemed selfish ‘Bad People’"

Absolutely but Merkel is not just a head of state but also leader of the conservative party. And still cannot see that her open door policy is leading to much misery.

I am not sure what shocks me more: that she is seemingly incapable to accept that her good intentions are seriously undermined by large numbers of economic migrants, that she is negotiating with Turkey and planning on Turkey to decide who can travel on into the heart of Europe.

Well on the door issue they syould have just told them that they need to accept our practices unless until they earn enough money to buy their own house without state support which has 2 doors to a room.

no apparently we have to accommodate misogyny :/ it still, sadly, comes down to human = male ergo accommodating humans from other cultures includes accommodating how those humans treat 'their' women. multiculturalism means accommodating MEN of all cultures. women's rights come way below respecting the 'culture' of other men.

I do wonder why it's our problem and up to us to pay for a 2 doored room anyway. Unbelievable. The newcomers need to adapt to our way or put their hand in their pocket to fund their requests. When did it all go so wrong?.

It sounds like an untrue story to me about the 2 doors but it may be right. However the bottom line is that we have a lot of people in our midst from abroad who have a low opinoin of women and gay people and don't respect their rights and we need to come down very hard on them. The other issue that arose was a father who caned his children and the stupid judge said that it was a cultural difference and she would allow him more leaway than an English father who would know that kind of beating is illegal.

has anyone read NY Times of 12th March?

sorry I meant NY Times front page Sunday, March 13, 2016

DG,
I remember I was driving through London somewhere near South Dock when I was listening to the article on R4.

Not much use I do understand but it struck chord... or discord?

Mariscall, are you referring to the article on the ISIS rapes and birth control? . I would like to offer all those women and children sanctuary here, not the aggressive men pushing their way through Europe.

That yes! I m awfully upset. Oh what a dreadful thing

ending night on a lovely note for women: Blue moon

Billie Holiday - Blue Moon (1952) - what a magic voice

Blue moon is a full moon twice in the same month! it will be back 2018: January 2, January 31, only in time zones west of UTC+11. and March 2, March 31, only in time zones west of UTC+12

What does the NY Times article say? I didn't see it.
On the whole in Britain we tend to be tolerant and not make a fuss about things. If one of my sons has moaned about the inability to get pork or meat other than hallal at school we would most of us tend to say you're lucky to have any food at all - just put up with it. It is one reason peoplel ike to live here - we tend to be quiet, law abiding and polite and if people arei n our midst not causing any trouble like the very orthodox jews in Stamford hill who have never caused us any trouble or required us to make changes in schools or particularly accommodate them then there is no problem although I hope the women there know how to leave if they choose and how sexist their set up is and I do have problems with groups who cannot feed their children needing state benefits, regardless of their colour or creed.

The biggest issue with recent immigration is if you bring in 1m people who think women are second class or gays should be stoned to death is the sheer volume alters our culture for the worse and it becomes harder to be seen as normal if you want equality for women.

DG2016 Under Jewish law an ultra-orthodox woman (e.g., in Stamford Hill) is allowed (by culture and of course by UK law) to seek an abortion without telling her husband. Just a wee example of how Jewish orthodox culture is not perhaps what it first appears to be.

She certain can be trapped in getting a divorce though and she can't be a rabbi and she probably has to support some husband who never works or looks after the children as he's praying all day and there was that relatively recent publicity over the fact one of their schools said women should not drive. It is not a greatly non sexist culture.

Separately this article astounded me - two thirds of Ethiopian marriages started by the man kidnapping a teenage girl and impregnating her. Okay, occasionally but most? I did see a youtube programme about Khazah grabbing of women but this seems worse:

"Victory for teenage bride who was married by force

In “marriage by abduction”, pubescent girls are kidnapped by gangs of men to be impregnated so that consent for marriage can be demanded from their parents

Ethiopia has been ordered to pay £100,000 to a woman who was kidnapped and raped when she was 13 in an ancient, illegal custom of marrying children by force.
Human rights groups hope that the ruling will help to end “marriage by abduction”, in which pubescent girls are kidnapped by gangs of men to be impregnated so that consent for marriage can be demanded from their parents. A survey by the UN in 2003 found that up to two thirds of marriages in Ethiopia start this way.
The ruling by the African Union’s commission for human and people’s rights (ACHPR) is the end of a 15-year struggle for justice for the woman, known as Makeda. Her attacker, Aberew Jemma Negussie, was sentenced in 2003 to ten years in prison for rape, but was acquitted on appeal because, the judge said, Makeda had failed to prove her virginity.
The ACHPR, based in Gambia, said that Ethiopia’s handling of the case had sent a message that “girls and women can be abducted, raped, and forced into marriage with impunity.”
Equality Now, a rights group that helped to take the case to Gambia, called the ruling a triumph for women and girls in Ethiopia. “We hope the Ethiopian government takes it seriously,” Jacqui Hunt, one of the charity’s directors, said.
The stigma associated with the loss of virginity means that parents often give kidnappers permission to marry their daughters. Makeda’s case was unusual because her father stood by her and alerted police, Ms Hunt said. Negussie kidnapped her a second time, however, when after he was released on bail, and forced her to sign a marriage contract.
When Negussie was jailed in 2003, four accomplices were sentenced to eight years each. Their convictions were quashed a few months later on the ground that it was impossible to rape a girl who was not a virgin. Neither Makeda nor her lawyers were informed of the appeal.
The ACHPR said that the appeal judge had erred because of his personal belief “that rape could only be committed on a virgin”. “By failing to recognise that virginity is not a prerequisite of the offence of rape, and that the law should protect every woman from rape, the court acted arbitrarily in violation of [Makeda’s] rights,” the judgment said. The ACHPR ordered the Ethiopian government to file fresh charges against Negussie." "

i've been following hte threads when i see them but not sure if i have posted on any before this one.

i should say that i actually currently live in the MENA region and have a lot of experience of the region over the years. i know it's inconvenient for the 'you're just racist, ignorant, xenophobic' crew but reality is that a lot of us sounding warning cries are actually well travelled and far more aware of the region, culture, socio economic factors and religion that these young men are coming from.

it's a little odd to be lectured by people who've never lived in the region or studied the culture, history or religion of the area yet try to claim some kind of enlightened high stance

though i suppose cloud cuckoo land is quite 'high'

Honeybadger - you say you live in the Middle East / North Africa.
What is your take on this - is their culture and their opinion of women so incompatible with ours?
I have daughters, and the headlines make my blood run cold.
What is the truth?

MrsGrady I have now read the FT article ('Mass migration to Europe is unstoppable'). Thank you. It concurs with what I've thought about regarding these issues for a while now. If we stand back and look at the bigger picture, then common sense would suggest that population demographics is the main driver behind this (manipulated by various factors along the way such as politicians, wars, need for control, etc.). We are in for a rough ride because I also agree with TheHoneyBadger. I have also travelled and lived in the MENA region ( a while ago, though) and the attitudes exhibited there are vastly different to what we see here (as the FT article states). At best, it's going to take several generations, if at all, for European attitudes to become popular elsewhere and among different population groups (by which time they will have most probably melded into something else entirely).

i wonder how many of us, go into coffee shops and buy a coffee without thinking.

I know I do. Not these women though below:

www.theweek.co.uk/60339/eleven-things-women-in-saudi-arabia-cant-do?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBROS

Women in Saudi Arabia claim to have been temporarily banned from entering a branch of Starbucks in the capital Riyadh.

A sign was placed in the window of the coffee shop saying: "Please no entry for ladies only send your driver to order thank you", after a wall designed to segregate men and women was reportedly removed during renovations.

I ve read this before. In the West we also meet at a cafe / restaurant not just for entertainment and sociabilty but many times it is essential as part of our business for example we ve been invited by man / woman or introduced to someone or we need to introduce somebody to someone to discuss something about a job or organise an eventt and or may be we have to do a working lunch. This meeting outside in cafes and other places is because women hold jobs here and participate in all aspects of economic life in a city and can talk to men equally and is part of how our economy works with equally important parts played by both men/women. Half of the workforce in the West is women.

Some Syrians will return when the trouble dies down (good news today of a limited Russian withdrawal for example might be progress). Other will be jumping for joy to be away from a culture making women cover up. However a good number from there and elsewhere will get a right to stay in Germany and thus rights to move to the UK and will have attitudes which could damage the rest of us so we need to ensure we keep educating women again and again and that in state schools we go on and on to the children that it is fine to be gay, that women are equal, that girls dont' have to cover their heads, even if we upset their parents. Small price for the parents to pay to live here.

We also might need to do what we did in Norther Ireland too - a kind of forced mixed schools rather than Catholic/Protestant schools. We have seen the trojan horse 100% muslim state primaries, muslim governors, women teachers treated badly etc etc. We need to be very vigilant to stop that kind of thing. No sitting separately for boys and ghirls. No pressure on girls to cover themselves in school, in PE or not to swim etc.