Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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Why? Because we need more sex offenders?

AMouseLivedinaWindMill The agreement is that the Turkish coastguard will turn boats back only whe they are apprehended in Turkish waters and before they have crossed to the Greek waters.

AMouse thanks for the article in the Guardian.

I was worried there were a series of deletions earlier but I had not followed all that was posted. We do need to keep this this thread on.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3480676/Father-hospitalised-Sharia-patrol-Austria-told-stop-threatening-wife-daughter-not-properly-dressed-fears-rise-no-areas-Vienna.html

Scary. I was not planning to go to Vienna or Cologne.

This happened in Torquay

Migrant blames child sex attack on 'cultural differences'
Link

Thanks Gourmet.

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Will Greece become Nauru of Europe?
Passable Translation from German

That is a good one.

www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2016/03/07/pas-de-reels-progres-depuis-20-ans-pour-les-femmes-dans-le-monde-du-travail_4878115_3234.html

There is no real progress since 20 years for women in the world of employment. Underpaid and less protected. Laws are not sufficient
That might be so for every issue regarding women.

thefederalist.com/2016/03/05/does-immigration-mean-the-end-of-western-civilization/

I know this is a conservative source, but some of the points made here are really thought-provoking.

That Muslims are migrating to Europe en masse but rejecting Europeans as suitable spouses, “shows that you can migrate to a place while being hostile to it, or at least while holding it in no special regard,” writes Caldwell. “Yes, immigrants ‘just want a better life,’ as the cliché goes. But they don’t necessarily want a European life. They may want a Third World life at a European standard of living.”

Thanks for this article NewStatesman - it's sad but true that only the Right will be able to save Western culture and civilisation from these invading hordes. And at that, only if people wake up long enough to vote them in. There is no way we will survive any more immigration from people who like to have multiple the number of kids we do - we will soon be exterminated by pure demographics without a shot being fired. At the same time Left wingers have taken hold in most News sources (including this) and are spreading disinformation to prevent the people from waking up. So glad to see there are so many wide awake women on here!

That article posted by new statesman is essential reading . It articulates everything I have been gradually realising, and the conclusions are horrifying.

I've read nearly every post on these nine threads, and many of the links. Since Cologne, my whole political viewpoint has changed, forever.

I used to be a typical middle class guardian reading liberal. No more.

We are witnessing the end of our civilisation- I fear we are now beyond the tipping point.

Politics will be irredeemably polarised now, and as predicted from January, the inertia and misplaced hand wringing of the left will lead to a rise in the far right.

Hundreds of years of democratic progress and it's hard won freedoms have been thrown away. Our wonderful culture under threat as never before.

I could weep. In fact I have.

These are terrifying times indeed- and the novel analysed in the article above has proved to be chillingly prophetic.

How has this been allowed to happen? How?

words my view is that the Left has always been insane - look at Stalin and Chairman Mao - they each killed more by their insane socialism than Hitler. But for some reason the Left has been given a free pass and we are only supposed to remember the Nazis. Actually they were all as horrific as each other. But Nazism is labelled 'Right Wing' so gets the constant spotlight - in fact however it was National Socialism - the Left doesn't want you to remember that!

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/

"The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. You hear it, not only when spotty students yell “fascist” at Tories, but when pundits talk of revolutionary anti-capitalist parties, such as the BNP and Golden Dawn, as “far Right”.
What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty."

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/

Words I know what you mean. I didn't always feel the way I do but things are changing and not for the better.

Words I posted yesterday about how I have spent quite a bit of time analysing my own responses to this crisis, wondering if I am indeed in some way being 'racist'. I know that I am not. What swung it for me was the realisation that I lived peacefully, tolerantly and sensibly up until the point that things like FGM, beheadings, mass-rapes, stonings, child marriages and the circumvention of asylum procedures by many were visited upon me and my life via news sources. I don't want them. I don't want the set of emotions that come with engaging with these things. I don't want to think about these issues. Feeling revulsion at yet another news source documenting a child marriage, an FGM case or bad treatment of a woman is not racist or bigoted. It's a normal emotional response at a sickening set of circumstances. The people who suppress these feelings via calls of racism, xenophobia and bigotry have had their brains spun to such an extent that they are no longer capable of distinguishing right from wrong. There is something seriously wrong when a human is incapable of distinguishing FGM from another cultural behaviour that does not damage a girl for life. There are certain universal baselines beyond which we, as humans, must not go.

I would regard myself as left wing. I think that far right groups have a lot in common with any similar groups whose culture and practices are the expression of ideologies which dictate that certain classes of people (say women) are unequal and should have less rights. From whatever source, Ideologies based on the view of certain classes of people being more equal than others, whether informed by movements within Europe or ideologies from outside Europe are all to be reviled. The problem is that people have to recognise that ideologies incorporating the view that people are inferior to others based on things like race and sex are not only European and have to be equally denounced, irrespective who expounds them.

Pen Relativism - we have no real answer answer. You either accept inequality or you don't. Relativising everyone and everything is difficult - witness the turning a blind eye or stonings, etc.. Accepting inequality is hard - for obvious reasons (some people have more while others have less). On balance, I err on the 'accepting inequality' side because, from my pov, relativism is worse because it has a built-in inequality anyway, just by the back door (e.g., communist Russia - everyone is equal but some people are more equal then others others). A social democracy (some state determined, some private determined factors; everyone has a voice) rooted in a meritocracy (social mobility, or at least, the possibility of), which is what we have here, seems to be a reasonably good model. It is a mixture of both relativism (equality) and inequality.

Being essentially a humanist you mean? One who wants the best and most humanitarian treatment for all human beings regardless of sex, religion, colour, race etc. It is right to focus on what is actually in humanity's best interests than a cultural practice that a section of society 'has always done'.

A trainer at my old workplace used to tell this story:

A new employee joins a firm. He/she is shown the ropes by another employee who has done the job for a while. They are going through paperwork that has to be completed every day.

There is one sheet which has been photocopied time after time and is just illegible text with a place to write a number in at the end. The employee is told just to write 0. He/she, asks why, 0? Other employee says "Oh we've just always done that"

Months later going through a pile of old filing in the basement, the employees happens on the original document the photocopy is of.
It reads "Number of air raids during the day" and is dated during the war.

The moral being, just because we've always done it doesn't mean we should continue.

Just because a section of people have always done something doesn't mean it's right or should continue, or we are wrong for trying to challenge it.

But for some reason the Left has been given a free pass and we are only supposed to remember the Nazis

So many films made about the Nazi's they lend themselves to drama, and film, the uniforms, the accents. So many stories to get their teeth into and of course, many powerful Jewish people in Hollywood, keen to keep the history and horrors alive. ( totally understandably of course)

There is less information out there about Stalin, Stalins Russia, a few good films, but nothing in comparison to all the war films.

I condemn Far Left just as much as Far Right I find it odd, that some others however are happy to condemn Far right but wont, admit, or condemn Far left

I would not call myself right or left.

I shamefully admit I voted for Tony Blair, and I feel ashamed and stupid now. and I feel slightly dirty about it.

I am very pleased the conservatives are in power right now, at this time in history, I cannot imagine the horrors Miliband would have un leashed and even less so Corbyn . But I am not in agreement at all with all Tory polices at all.

Newstatesman, Excellent article.

Excellent. Thanks.

"Europeans leaders are of course trying to downplay the severity of the crisis even as its disruptive effects become impossible to ignore. On New Year’s Eve in cities across Germany, gangs of Arab and North African men, some of whom were later discovered to be asylum-seekers, robbed and sexually assaulted scores of women. Before police had completed their investigation, the European Commission declared there was “no link” between the migrant crisis and the attacks, the incidents were merely “a matter of public order.” Fearing a xenophobic backlash, the commission proclaimed itself “the voice of reason.”"

The people who suppress these feelings via calls of racism, xenophobia and bigotry have had their brains spun to such an extent that they are no longer capable of distinguishing right from wrong. There is something seriously wrong when a human is incapable of distinguishing FGM from another cultural behaviour that does not damage a girl for life

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Here is David Davies speaking about women's rights..

www.david-davies.org.uk/news/battle-equality-and-respect-must-continue-be-fought

Brilliant! this is what international women's day is all about, challenging inequality and injustice towards women everywhere and in whichever community they reside.

which D Davies is this? Is this the one we had on webchat?

Yes it is AMouse Excellent speech and the only politition not afraid to speak out on behalf of women.

Imternational Women's day 8th March

International Labour Organization expert explains the gender pay gap in Europe There is a very short video which says much of the pay gap is unexplained . www.ilo.org/global/research/global-reports/global-wage-report/2014/Charts/WCMS_322722/lang--en/index.htm

ILO: Women in Europe 'better educated but paid less' in www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30340870
the bottom-earning 10% of women workers earned about 100 euros per month less than the bottom 10% of men Is this not awful?
it is 2 years old article but does it matter?…

Guess which country has the largest wage gap It's USA
www.cnbc.com/2014/12/05/united-states-has-biggest-gender-pay-gap-ilo-report.html
Of 38 countries assessed in the International Labour Organization's Global Wage Report 2014/15, Americans had the widest reported total gap, at 36 percent.