Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

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The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

There is also something fishy going on, I can't put my finger on. David Attenborough and Obama last year, DA said he is mystified as to what that was all about.

It appears that it is not just the radical Islamists who support IS. Is this true? Perhaps Widow would like to comment on this mindset.

80 percent of London's Muslims support the Islamic State. Someone even says he has a "warm feeling towards IS.

muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/britain-80-of-londons-muslims-support-the-islamic-state/

I can get my head around why this is so, because I am a trained observer and analyst. But it doesnt mean I agree with IS or with Breivik.

Help what do you mean you are a trained observer and analyst?

This is where I prefer JC's let's talk idea ratger than war. War won't work and you have to talk to end the war. Cut to the chase ask the psychopaths what they want now and negotiate.

What do you mean Vertigo? Your posts are getting shorter and shorter. Did Attenborough meet with Obama?

Yes the BBC showed the meeting last year.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/11644711/How-Barack-Obama-requested-White-House-meeting-with-Sir-David-Attenborough.html

Help the reports that moderate Muslims support Isis have been debunked pretty much as soon as they were published

www.independent.co.uk/voices/no-one-in-five-muslims-do-not-support-isis-a6745206.html

In the post I referred to earlier you have expressed sympathy for the murderer Breivik. I had quoted your post without altering or paraphrasing.

This is not about just you though, but about the fact that noone even asked the question what you meant when you posted it. Your islamophobia is by the looks of it accepted and shared by the supporters of your petition and you don't even pretend to be moderate anymore.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2554410-Did-you-see-David-Attenborough-talk-about-giving-women-control-over-their-bodies

I know of The Independent "report". It may debunk, but its methodology does not stack up at all. So no one really knows how much sympathy there is for IS in the UK.I do know that schoolkids, boys of around 14., are very interested in what is transpiring. I know from my own kids that Asian boys sit in the park with a laptop and look at propaganda channels espousing the overthrow of the Infidel.

Polling on this topic may not be accurate because some may not be fully honest in their responses

Isis KILL MUSLIMS. You need to get that in your head help. They do not follow Islam. Many Muslims have spoken against them. Muslims and Isis are not the same thing.

Refugees do not want to 'islamify' their host countries. They want to get the hell away from bombs and dictators. They want to go to school and university or have a job. They want their children to be safe. They want to go to work and come home and have their tea and do all the things we take for granted. They are not people to be afraid of. They deserve love, kindness, safety and respect. They are heroes fleeing from unimaginable terror. There is so much love for them around the world and so many ordinary people that have chosen to help them and have been touched by them. Inspite of the lack of humanity of governments across the EU and scaremongerers, this compassion grows and grows. You won't stop it.

During the second world war, some people thought the Jews could be spies for the Germans. You are trying to spread the same fear and irrationality about good people.

"Isis KILL MUSLIMS. You need to get that in your head help. They do not follow Islam. Many Muslims have spoken against them. Muslims and Isis are not the same thing."

I'm pretty sure ISIS believe they are Muslims Emily. To prove that they don't follow Islam you'd have to prove what Islam is and by your own admission you don't know enough about it.

Islam, like any religion, is a social construct. Just like God it doesn't exist separately from the people who interpret it. It is only as good or bad ad the people who interpret it.

Help, I don't see anything sinister in the video you posted. Many evangelical Christians say similar things.

I did find the channel it is from curious though. It included a 'pigs head protest at refugee camp' and anti immigrant protests by the far right.

Theydont, Isis have killed more Muslims than non Muslims. Isis are not Muslims.

They identify themselves as muslims and much of their appeal and their actions are based on that identification, Emily. That is how we normally define people. Their being extremists does not affect matters. Love to play with words don't you.

The polls finding that some ludicrous % of British Muslims supported IS are very misleading and I believe that the paper issue an apology later for misleading people.

I would be astonished if more than a very small % of British Muslims actually supported or sympathized with IS.

Soft extremism, however, is a genuine concern. Just because someone does not support IS does not mean that they hold enlightened views on women's/gay people's right to sexual autonomy, on the rights of people to leave Islam, on whether women are inferior to men and so forth.

Most of what IS does is pretty much a literal and simple interpretation of the Koran. Just being honest, really. I don't think most Muslims support such stances, and I am not claiming that the Bible is that much better (not that I am Christian anyway). But the destruction of images, the taking of sex slaves... they are not getting this out of thin air, seriously.

As for this

"Refugees do not want to 'islamify' their host countries. They want to get the hell away from bombs and dictators. They want to go to school and university or have a job. They want their children to be safe. They want to go to work and come home and have their tea and do all the things we take for granted. They are not people to be afraid of. "

.... I am fascinated to learn that Emily apparently has mind-reading abilities giving her intimate access to the thoughts, values of aspirations of three million-plus people.

How on earth can you generalize about so many people? I don't think many jihadists will have got through, but I'd be surprised, statistically, if none whatsoever have. And even of the majority who are not jihadists and would not dream of becoming one, I suspect that many or most probably hold views on gay people, women and so on which are not exactly politically correct by Western standards.

This is a complicated issues, and the kind of naive sentimentality which portrays all migrants as doe-eyed, innocent heroes is really not helpful.

I too have started wondering about the wilful and determined efforts by certain politicians and the EU's unaccountable leaders to ignore all problems associated with the immigration of large numbers of people from patriarchal MENA cultures.

I ask myself why is the UK immigration rate from non-EU countries (which surely we can control) at an unprecedented high yet again despite David Cameron's pledge to bring it back down to the tens of thousands? Despite report after report about pressures on housing, on schools, on GP surgeries, hospitals, transport, and social care. Things that the left at the very least should care about but remain utterly silent about in relation to immigration levels.

Why has Sweden, a country that historically I have always thought of as a bastion of progressive policies and advancement of women's rights, just passed a law making it a criminal offence to criticise immigration. Not hate speech, just criticism.

Germany has formulated an 'agreement' with Facebook regarding the removal of unpalatable posts on the subject of immigration. Hmm I wonder why that 16 year old girl's video keeps disappearing?

There are some huge vested interests at work and women's rights are not featuring in the decision-making. I just cannot get over Sweden turning itself into nearly the rape capital of the world and then not letting its citizens talk about it.

Have you seen the latest thoughts on sex/gender participation in the Olympics?

emily What you say is, of course, true. ISIS do kill muslims and do not represent the majority but you are notably silent on how we can help the genuine refugees without leaving ourselves open to risk from those who wish us harm and seem to suggest anybody trying to think how to do so is racist.
Do you have any thoughts on how things should proceed from here? It is far easier to pick holes in others thoughts than it is to come up with any positive solutions. Let's hear your suggestions

Picking holes in thoughts? You've nothing to say about help saying she understands Breivik either then?

I wonder how many Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddists etc have joined IS? None, oh right just muslims then.

CalmYo, these threads are about the attacks on women in Cologne, not refugees.

Theydont, Isis have killed more Muslims than non Muslims. Isis are not Muslims.

What a bizarrely illogical comment.

emily

'CalmYo, these threads are about the attacks on women in Cologne, not refugees.'

Oh, dear - the German police have arrested refugees responsible for the Cologne attacks: www.lawyerherald.com/articles/28408/20160121/german-police-arrests-three-algerian-refugees-sexual-assault-cologne-mass-attacks.htm

So yes, these threads are about the attacks on women in Cologne, IN WHICH REFUGEES PARTICIPATED.