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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

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januarybrown1998 · 18/01/2016 22:29

part 6

part 5

part 4

part 3

part 2

part 1

The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

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MariscallRoad · 22/01/2016 11:27

I read the Wikipedia article - worth a reading. Public criticism of such events is rare and delayed and when it happens bad events are minimised or it is argued 'did not happen'. It is a pattern that reminds the events in Cologne.

GeekLove · 22/01/2016 11:37

I am glad that we are still discussing this and that things have certainly moved on.

What we also need to do is ensure a louder voice to those immigrants and those in communities who denounce such behaviour and make it clear that violence against women has no place in this culture.

Excellent work folks!

GeekLove · 22/01/2016 11:37

I am glad that we are still discussing this and that things have certainly moved on.

What we also need to do is ensure a louder voice to those immigrants and those in communities who denounce such behaviour and make it clear that violence against women has no place in this culture.

Excellent work folks!

DespicableBee · 22/01/2016 11:40

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35353310

Teaching migrants how to behave in Finland!

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 22/01/2016 11:43

WillBeat However progressive you say some Muslims are, the menfolk will always be determined to keep the power structure. Males especially do not give away their power. Simple as that. Of one thing I am certain and that is no mosque will ever allow mixed prayer meetings.

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 11:53

Really busy at work so apologies for very short contribution. The idea that migrants need lessons is crazy. Do people seriously think that they don't know what it's like here? In the 1980s, there was a brief spate of interest in the sexual violence literature around the concept of 'miscommunication' - men simply did not know what the woman wanted; the focus was on the message and how women could make the message clearer so that men could clearly read the signs that 'no means no'. Academics soon lost interest in this research area because not only of its sexism but because of its lack of saying almost anything profound and important about the wider rape supportive culture. I get the feeling that we are revisiting some of these concepts here Shock

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 22/01/2016 12:08

help

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/first-woman-to-lead-friday-prayers-in-uk-1996228.html

A Canadian author will become the first Muslim-born woman to lead a mixed-gender British congregation through Friday prayers tomorrow in a highly controversial move that will attempt to spark a debate about the role of female leadership within Islam

and

ewn.co.za/2014/09/15/Taj-Hargey-explains-the-Open-Mosque

^ "Taj Hargey has slammed Muslim clerics saying their rules are chauvinistic & not in line with the 21st century"

From Telegraph:
Chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre Oxford Dr Taj Hargey, is undeterred by the possible protests however, and argues the prayer service is a step in the right direction.

"We believe Islam is a gender-equal religion," he said.

"There is a record that the Prophet Mohammed allowed a woman to lead a mixed-gender congregation, but this precedent has been ignored.

"Women have led prayers in South Africa, Canada and the US and this is a first time here – it is a celebration."

Dr Hargey added: "People thought it was a bad idea to give women the vote.

"When Emmeline Pankhurst chained herself to the railings in protest there was uproar, but things move on.

"This is about theological self-empowerment - women as well as men have the right to determine their own theological destiny."

^ from telegraph.

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 12:16

I get the feeling that we are revisiting some of these concepts here

By 'we', I mean the media!

VertigoNun · 22/01/2016 12:18

Please add David Attenborough to the list of potential famous supporters.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 22/01/2016 13:09

This is totally off-topic, but I have to tell someone. I spoke to Aviva just now and it took me 20 mins to make my request understood. Has anyone else noticed that comprehension in persons in their 20s is abysmal. They hv no basic business understanding either; whoever I pay my money to is the entity with whom I am in contract- not a subcontractor of that entity. My cat could do better on the phones!

sportinguista · 22/01/2016 13:51

Some of them are dire, my sister works for Aviva but she's a top e trading manager so not on the phones, but she started in the call centre and she says some of them don't last very long! Virgin technical support are worse, it took me ten minutes explaining to one guy what a postcode was...on the bright side it only took me 5 minutes to get through to tax credits today which must be some kind of record!

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 15:38

Can't see those lessons being much use Sad

www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 22/01/2016 16:23

No lessons will be of any use as some here have said. This is not about imparting knowledge that the immigrants do not have. They already know that women are equal to men in law, they move freely by themselves and dress to their own tastes. Women can be ultra feminine, they can possess a more masculine attitude & look without having to check with their menfolk. They know that in the street men cannot walk 2 or 3 abreast and expect an approaching woman to step aside for them. (This happens to me all the time!).

These are European countries fooling themselves and again doing something just for the sake of doing something.

Stavanger was such a beautiful, uncluttered place when I visited there years ago - I hate to think what it has become now.

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 17:01

Help - yes, I was pondering the basis on which somebody decided that lessons in westernised theory and behaviour may be a good idea when given to men who dress in westernised clothes, who use westernised technology and communication systems, who are able to find their way around policy and legalities (I read yesterday that 600k of the 1.1 million asylum seekers/immigrants have disappeared), who can apply for asylum in several countries simultaneously, etc..

Palebluedotty · 22/01/2016 17:22

fourmummy that video disappearing is very worrying.

I was just as alarmed by many of the comments underneath from people who sound like dangerous US militiaman. Arm yourselves, shoot the police who have betrayed you??

And a lot of them are extremely anti-feminist, blaming it all on feminists for 'emasculating Western men'. No conception that their argument is therefore basically that in order not to have your rights trampled on by misogynist men from a different culture, you shouldn't have campaigned to get out from under the control of your own men. Great choice.

emilybohemia · 22/01/2016 17:25

'Stavanger was such a beautiful, uncluttered place when I visited there years ago - I hate to think what it has become now'.

Migrants are not 'clutter.' People are not 'clutter.' Immigrants do not make a place any less beautiful.

CalmYoBadSelf · 22/01/2016 17:27

I caught a bit on the Wright Stuff earlier about Canada. Apparently they take people from the camps but all security checks are done before they are flown over and most of them are sponsored by Canadian families who help them settle in with financial and personal help. That is the way to integrate people into a society

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 17:33

Emily - of course not... but what about the old, the disabled, the incapacitated, those who can't travel? How many more stories will we have to read about children drowning, people drowning?

Calm - agree.

VertigoNun · 22/01/2016 17:38

The Canadian family of the poor little Syrian boy that drown shown in all the papers his Aunt was going to sponsor the family. There was a dental problem though, if I recall correctly.

Moreshabbythanchic · 22/01/2016 17:41

Not their fault at all, its because they sell alcohol in Germany!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411641/Germans-ban-ALCOHOL-want-prevent-sex-attacks-help-North-Africans-integrate-says-Muslim-group.html

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 22/01/2016 17:43

fourmummy If a country was an individual who allowed strangers to walk into his/her home, use all mod cons, then complain that the woman of the house should not be speaking to him the stranger (because I am man), complain the TV was not large enough - and if this pattern of generosity kept repeating in an individual's life, he/she would be seen either as someone with terrible judgement who doesnt learn from experience, low IQ or someone with a psychological problem.

That's how I view all the EU countries, as well as Norway & Finland who I thought had more sense. They are not EU and did not have to allow so many migrants to settle in their countries.

Dont we all understand Breivik's pov, just a little? It seems no one is listening and the great & the good who run countries appear to be impervious to what they have allowed to happen to their grandchildren's generation.

With that in mind, I can only conclude that the leaders of the EU nations are not really the leaders at all. Someone on the last thread did say that Merkel's arm was twisted. If this is so, then every nation has been leaned on.

As Judge Judy says, If it doesnt make sense then it's usually not true. Merkel said that Germany's birth rate is so low that there are insufficient workers to properly fund the next pension pot. That is correct for the ethnic German but there are a signficant number of naturalised Turks (the old guest workers from the 1980s), Algerians and other N.Africans - these groups' birth rates are higher than ethnic Germans and they are now 2nd or 3rd generation.

Merkel also argues that it is Germany's "moral" duty to take in ME migrants. But why did she not take those well educated Greeks who are willing to transplant themselves to Germany to work and support their relatives back in Greece? These people have skills, professional and personal, they may even speak English and German well, and they are not politically hostile. The migrants that Merkel let in dont even have the courtesy to hide their contempt for Europe.

fourmummy · 22/01/2016 17:49

That's why I can only think that there's a plan that we not being told about. An end goal. I can't see a single redeeming feature of this situation. It's wrong on so many fronts. So much suffering. And what for? We just don't know. I am so frustrated, angry, incredulous, disbelieving. I need someone to tell us why this is going on because I can't work it out for myself despite trying for months and months