Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

To those posters who believe leaving the EU will grant better boarder control, this is misguided.

Most people entering Europe from all over the globe are doing so as a refugee.

The determinants for who is considered a refugee in set by the UN, not the EU. The determinants are quite vague and include "escaping war" obviously, also "escaping poverty", "escaping persecution" (quite vague) and "someone who is outside of their usual country of residence and through fear is unwilling to return to it" so basically there are lots of loose ways to claim asylum.

For firmer boarder control we would be better off redefining the conditions for claiming asylum and this has nothing to do with our EU membership.

As Coffee said, secondary immigration is unlikely, but actually beneficial because these people would be skilled migrants.

I think for me it is realising what crap governments they have in what I used to consider well run countries such as Germany and Sweden. It's not just Italian and French and Greek governments that I distrust now.

First of all the person who said that we would need to hire negotiators from Europe because we have not done it since the 70s is a bit misguided. We have done it for centuries and we have done it since the 70s for the rest of the world.

Immigration is less of an issue for me although it is up there. A huge portion of our exports are the financial services industry and entertainment. Europe are still going to buy our entertainment and I think we would be better controlling our own financial services industry compared to Europe. As an auditor I think the new rules of forced auditor rotation and caps on bonuses paid to banking employees are a disgrace considering the lack of accountability of the EU officials. I am just shocked that EU officials are not required to submit receipts for reimbursement. How dare they interfere in how much someone is paid in the private sector. It's none of their business. Instead of bailing out banks they should have let them go bankrupt. These highly paid people would be making nothing and it would have sent a message loud and clear that if you take on too much risk you will lose your shirt.

I don't think the UK left to its own devices would have left the banks to go bankrupt either, though.

I don't think the UK left to its own devices would have left the banks to go bankrupt either, though

Agreed the establishment (cross party) looks after its own, thats why solar panel factories and steel plants can close but financial companies can't.

(though read recently the Isle of wight one reopened as international demand has boomed even though UK politically is stopping wind at all costs)

Bump for evening.

I do think it was wrong that were allowed to continue as private entities. They should have been taken over by the central bank (ie nationalized) and either sold off once stable or closed down.

What I have a problem with is someone (in the plural sense) from Europe having a day over the regulation of an industry that we have far more experience of.

Is this going to be an EU thing keep going until you get the "correct" result.

Blaming the financial crisis on the E U is just bonkers. The reason the crisis was so great in the UK was that the size of the financial sector was so big in relation to the size of the economy. This was a known risk and the UK government did nothing to discourage the growth because they were reeling in the tax revenues. This was reckless. The German financial sector was much smaller in comparison to the size of the economy hence the impact of the financial crisis was lower.
If voters do not understand the basic issues we are going to get a referendum result based on ignorance and fear. That is why referenda on complex issues make no sense. This referendum is about the Conservative party - not the national interest.

Gingham.

Ginham if you're talking about the thread (??) stop being goady I'm not bothered what the result is either way, I'm just curious to see where MN stands and I suppose all the people who answered must be too. The bigger the sample size the better.

I don't understand how we got so integrated with Europe. What we have now vs what we signed up for is wildly different.
It was just a nice easy trade deal with a few extras. Slowly slowly we gave them more power. We need it back how it was

So far:

44 Stay
55 Leave
2 Other

Actually 3 other, misread!

I took it as a jokey reference to the EU response whenever a referendum in a member country goes against them! Nothing against the thread.

OUT OUT OUT.

Ah! I see! Apologies Gingham

People worry about 'losing power' but was glad to see EU actually discussing TTIP though has been buried by UK papers. I don't believe at all the conservatives/Nu labour would, and would happily sign away regulatory power over to US private industry instead. Which no doubt would be a fait de compli if we jump ship to them.

Its only silly things but thing like being able to sell your computer games second hand and or digital media second hand this was because of the EU. Our governments would never lobby for this as it goes against private industry creating cartels.

The working time directive gets flak but if people are having to work 60hrs plus just to survive there is a bigger problem at hand here. Its not the EU's fault its crap wages and employers.

Its feels like the devil you know over the one you don't.

If voters do not understand the basic issues we are going to get a referendum result based on ignorance and fear.

I am TERRIFIED of this happening. Absolutely terrified.

BreakingDad, but haven't the EU been the most forceful in pushing through TTIP? From what I gather it would never have been remotely possible without EU championing the idea.

Catphrase: the world has moved on since 1973 - collapse of USSR, rise of China and India, globalisation, chaos in the Middle East. Turning the clock back is not an option. And any politician suggesting we can is a charlatan!

What Catphrase said actually made sense to me.
The EU began as an ideal to benefit the majority, but has morphed into a machine to benefit only (to use a cliche) the "top 1%" (but true here).

We need to claw our way back somehow, as another ideal.

I won't blame voters.

I will blame the political rulers of Europe who failed this summer to organise an EU response to a foreseeable crisis. The refugee crisis has shown up the problems between what Merkel wants for german interestsand what is acceptable to germany's partners in eu.

Ophelia, I thought that after seeing the backlash by people in EU states TTIP was being re looked at rather than just railroaded through. Again its very worrying that it gets little to no coverage in UK.

The EU began as an ideal to benefit the majority, but has morphed into a machine to benefit only (to use a cliche) the "top 1%" (but true here)

The growing wealth gap in the UK I believe is way more down to policies of the government of the last ten years than any EU influence. The devaluing and loss of skilled jobs to poorly paid service jobs/dole.

The syria crisis to me is another UN failure, everyone must have been aware of these large people movements occurring and that the country was imploding. Peace keepers should have been sent in to create stability to the central parts and act as a bulwark to Assad in the west and Daesh in the East.