Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

I will be utterly flummoxed if Scotland votes to free itself of remote and unaccountable government in Westminster only to then vote to shackle itself back to an even more remote and unaccountable government in Brussels

If that happens it will be proof positive that it was never about independence, just hating the English

In case it is of interest the latest Survation poll has Scots 50.5% Stay 26.5% leave (data here - triggers download)

I completely agree with palebluedotty and will vote to leave

Incidentally, we need to be careful about the slippage between 'Europe' and the EU. Europe is a continent with 50 nations; the EU is a crap political union comprising 28 of those nations. Big difference, and one the Remain campaign and its cheerleaders at no. 10, the Guardian and the BBC are keen to obscure.

Thank you Its.

Yes love Europe don't trust EU.

I see the Scottish Independence question has come up:

From above poll
Yes to Indy: 49.2%
No to Indy: 50.8%

(16-34 57.3% for, 35-54 54.6%, 55+ 38%)

Manatee here here about the money going instead into creating properly funded, resourced, safe camps near the country in trouble and then maintaining sanitation, supply, health care and law and order in those camps. Have a team (from every supporting international country) based there to assess those needing to be flown out to access more complex heath care for treatment and to arrange asylum for disabled/ elderly/ most vulnerable. And that international support flows into supporting returning home and re establishing villages and towns when safe to do so.

Voting on the main question: Leave.

I'd vote to leave the EU. If this triggers another referendum in Scotland, so be it. If they choose to leave the UK, and want to rejoin the EU that's okay, too. However, after that, I don't want endless more referendums. They are expensive.

My apologies, should have said the EU and not Europe - thanks for pointing that out OTheHugeManatee.

Quick (and most likely inaccurate) count. 67 to leave (hooray) 45 to stay adn 4 undecided.

67 to leave (hooray) 45 to stay

Let's hope this random MN poll is indicative of the general mood in the UK!

I too love Europe, btw, but I have come to despise the bureaucratic, toothless, unelected, dithering, wildly expensive and ineffective EU. The sooner we leave, the better.

I hope so too Juneau.

I dont' really care about the referendum , well it costs money, but sometimes can't be avoided.

20 yrs post leaving EU, I reckon pretty much nothing will change. Immigration will still be a hot issue, many immigrants (including people from Eastern Europe, some on benefits) will still be here & still managing to come live here every yr. We will still be paying eye-watering sums to unaccountable govt in EU, and still have to follow their rules and still get scolded off by international human rights authorities, etc. If Scotland leaves UK, they will still be in currency union with us & probably having insisted on having votes on the (English) monetary policy committee. Even English loans to attend Scottish universities will probably still be available.

Mark my words. Almost nothing will change.

If we leave what will happen to our nationals living in EU countries and vice versa?

It's not like treaties allowing for migration in and out would expire overnight leaving people high and dry. Negotiations would take place to address expats' rights and needs and most likely very little would change for people naturalised in the UK or Brits living elsewhere.

Thanks Manatee.

With EU nationals, I wonder if the rules currently relating to non-EU immigrants would apply? I'm thinking of the c£21k minimum annual income level, and the English language test. If that's the case, then people who came here from other parts of the EU determined to contribute and integrate, theoretically won't have a problem although I worry about those in the care sector, where pay is bad. There are probably other vulnerable sectors too.

If Spain applies that rule, all the sunloving Brit expats who've refused to learn Spanish will be back!

Leave.

Since undecided is now an option, I'm in that camp. I was firmly pro-EU before Cologne, but that has shown the vulnerabilities of being tied to every crap decision made in any other country. At least if we were alone we'd only have our own poor government to argue with.

Not sure if we can withstand becoming a US lapdog without the EU though.

Undecided is now an option? What to tick on voting form? Surely those people don't need to bother to vote at all.

I would have thought that EU citizens who were resident in the UK purely by right of their EU citizenship would have a period of time within which to apply for residency on the same basis as non-EU citizens - e.g. work, spouse, ancestry and so on. Those would did not apply within that time would have to leave.

In other words, EU citizens would simply be treated the same as non-EU citizens. This is only fair - and a lot more sensible than the current system which gives EU citizens greater rights than Australians and New Zealanders for example.

Come on tech team... Other internet forums have a poll facility that allows people to actually cast a vote...

Why not us?

Leave..
on grounds that the EU is no longer working for the population but is now a self serving cancer.

Apopros lessons from Scotland / Quebec...

Both those cases had a history of being part of the larger whole for over 300 years. The Act on Union for the Scots and the conquest of Quebec by General Wolfe. There is no experience or memory of those places being an independent country.

With us it is very different. There are millions who remember us as an independent nation. Many millions who fought against Germany, only to see us governed by a German lead UE. I remember how De Gaul vetoed our membeship many times before he died and how our membeship was on less favourable terms than everyone else.

I think this will play a significant difference in the result. Moreover, the older generation are more likely to vote. I asked a youngster at the checkout how he may vote... "dunno, don't know what it's all about".

Professor that certainly applies to me.

Union of 300 years - stick with it.

Ever closer union/ superstate based on the 70s vote to join an Economic Community,

• not so appealing.