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Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve

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Cellardoor1 · 04/01/2016 22:20

I've just read this and I'm shocked that such a thing could happen. A group of around 1,000 men gathered and assaulted at least 60 women and girls and also pickpocketed people. Apparently the news wasn't released until now out of fears it could stir up tension as the men appeared to be of Arab/North African appearance, possibly refugees.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cologne-police-chief-condemns-sex-assaults-years-eve-36083833

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Moreshabbythanchic · 05/01/2016 18:57

I wish there was some way we could show our support of the women in Cologne and Munich too, where I believe there was a similar incident, has anyone any ideas?

Behooven · 05/01/2016 19:01

...and Dusseldorf as well according to the BBC. Even Merkel is appalled by the reports.

RT link to covering up Is this the link referred to previously?

fourmummy · 05/01/2016 19:03

My family are non-white, non-British. & I can tell you the same things said here about Asian and Middle-Eastern men is the exact thing said about them back home (which is not Europe), and thats based on their behaviour and "entitlement" towards women. It does not mean we say they are all the same; it means we are aware too many of them will aim to cross boundaries and be disrespectful with women, groping and propositioning etc. I know that we've got caught up in a bit of a mess regarding what can and can't be said but this is not difficult at all if we separate out the person from the idea. People are people - there is no evidence to suggest that we are different in terms of physical aspects. However, the ideaologies that people create are very different. No point criticising people themselves as we are just SO similar (plus, it's uninteretsing) - same flesh, blood, sinew, brain, skin...Ideas, however, are up for criticism and so they should be. Most people I know are happy to muddle along together multi-ethnically but not multiculturally. People are asking what can we do now: without sounding patronising (I've never really thought about these issues from this perspective before so this is very much off the cuff - these are just some things that I've noticed when I talk to people I know), and we can keep adding to them:

  1. Be positive toward liberal, westernised ideas. They're not all great and some can definitely change but they're pretty good for many (most?) people.
  2. Don't feel guilty about progress/quality of life/wealth creation - again, some things can and should change in this regard but overall, more people have a better standard of living now than ever before. Be proud of this.
  3. Be active in terms of criticising (you need to find an outlet for this - a safe one) inequality, sexism, unfairness, racism. Write to papers or magazines, for example.
  4. Be clear that free speech is a great thing and exercise this right - again, safely. Refuse to shut down and look away even when criticised.
  5. Write to your MP is you read about something that is unfair.
  6. Self-defense skills for women are a great thing (tell the notion that it locates the problem within the victim herself to fo. It's wrong). Walk taller. Maintain eye contact. Adopt the attitude of demanding change.
hefzi · 05/01/2016 19:04

polentapies by being liberal - all to often, people who describe themselves as being "liberal" end up being totally illiberal about the things they despise: this is the main issue with the Guardian, in fact. By being liberals, we must speak freely and openly about these things, uncomfortable as they are, and not brush them under the carpet. It's like the Far Right- only by shining a light on their activities do you allow people to realise the full extent of their idiocy. So we need to speak up and not worry that the Far Right will manipulate this incident - because otherwise, we become complicit in wrongdoing through our own silence. The EDL and other such nutters are always going to find an excuse to demonise the Other: by talking openly about this, we're not telling them anything they don't already know, or giving them opportunities that didn't exist already. Instead, we are creating a space whereby really important issues can be discussed and dealt with appropriately, instead of in total polarity.

And like it or not, this particular set of male behaviours is a direct result of certain cultures' attitudes towards women. There will always be men who are violent to women, irrespective of culture - but this particular issue goes deeper than an un-nuanced male/female dichotomy.

SisterNancySinatra · 05/01/2016 19:06

Wasn't there a story here in the uk about some Syrian soldier cadets going on rampage and sexually assaulting men and women ? I will try and look it up . It worries me also that all women will have to cover up if going to a public night time event just to stay safe .

hefzi · 05/01/2016 19:07

They were Libyans, SisterNancy - I think someone linked to the story earlier.

SisterNancySinatra · 05/01/2016 19:09

Ok, thanks

ArmchairTraveller · 05/01/2016 19:10

That story was about Libyan soldiers in Cambridgeshire.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32781117
Who are now apparently in the process of claiming asylum here.

LidiaW6 · 05/01/2016 19:10

BitOutofPractice You are incorrect,and Battersea53 is correct. Those refugees who came directly after the last war were indeed mostly from various parts of Europe so there was no problem with assimilation. I am 64 and my parents were stateless refugees originally from Russia who spent 6 yrs in Germany in slave labour camps (they met in England).

They arrived in England in 1947 along with a few thousand other Europeans of different nationalities. So from 1947 until c. 1970 when Asians began to arrive in numbers, it was European refugees. You do not know your modern history, my dear.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 05/01/2016 19:13

I was thinking of going on a solo cycling/camping trip across Germany and this puts me off a bit.

Pisses me off that women can be targeted like this, to such an extent that they may feel they have to change their behaviour/plans.

HermioneWeasley · 05/01/2016 19:13

Covering up doesn't make you safe - women in burqas get raped.

These men are scum. If any of them are asylum seekers, I hope they are deported.

There was always going to be issues with mass immigration of young men from counties where women have approximately the same rights and respect as cattle.

polentapies · 05/01/2016 19:13

Well said Four
"Ideas, however, are up for criticism and so they should be."

polentapies · 05/01/2016 19:15

Agreed hefzi

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2016 19:15

Lidia She didn't say directly after. She said after. And there was mass immigration from across the former British empire that was neither European, Christian or white.

SisterNancySinatra · 05/01/2016 19:16

Thanks for the link .

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2016 19:17

And by the way I am a history graduate specialising in 20th century British history, my dear.

Mass immigration from the sub continent and across the commonwealth began much much earlier than the 70s. The early 50s in fact.

Battersea53 · 05/01/2016 19:19

BitOutOfPractice Of course I stand by my observation. Check your history books. Straight after WW2, those in prison were released by the Allied Forces and were given a choice of either (i) returning to their homeland, (ii) or choosing to be relocated to USA or Canada or UK. Displaced persons not in PoW or work camps were also given similar choice.

And as regards the video, it is in the public domain - so please get over yourself and stop with the "triggering" mentality. You sound like one of those students who would not allow Germaine Greer to speak.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/01/2016 19:20

Arch - I'm not here to google for you. You can dyor.

onthephone100 · 05/01/2016 19:23

There is NO suggestion the men are asylum seekers so will posters please stop suggesting it!

There are plenty of Neanderthal pricks of full (albeit ethnic minority) German descent and education. Believe me, I was married to one.

I am happy to see this getting more coverage now on German news forums. The police themselves are insisting on more cctv in the area.

onthephone100 · 05/01/2016 19:23

Can we keep this on topic please?

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/01/2016 19:24

I'm following #cologne on twitter - lots of pics of women giving the middle finger. I don't want to be sexually assaulted and then have to join a movement to say "fuck you", I want the problem out in the open and dealt with. Why do I risk having to be strong AFTER an attack?

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2016 19:24

What? I am merely saying that that video was very upsetting and some MNers may find it triggering.

And perhaps you might want to read up about the British Nationality Act of 19488*, which gave all Commonwealth citizens free entry into Britain, and began mass immigration to the uk from across the commonwealth starting, symbolically, with the arrival of the Windrush in 1948.

hefzi · 05/01/2016 19:26

Hermione is right - being covered is no protection; however in countries where this is more of a norm, people are often raised to think that women who aren't fully covered are - at best - "easy" and at worst, prostitutes ie, fair game

This is the attitude that needs stamping out, alongside that of women as objects/having lower status than men/being possessions of men - if that's what you've been raised to think, it's not particularly your fault if you accept that uncritically, where that is the norm within your country. However, when you have chosen, for whatever reason, whether for refuge or migration, to go to another country, part and parcel of that is accepting their laws and norms in the public space.

Sansoora · 05/01/2016 19:26

I don't see any suggestion in ANY press that the men are refugees, so to assume so is rather putting the cart before the horse. There is a large population here of Middle Eastern and North African people, who have lived here many generations Why now, then?

Because it suits the likes of Isis to have orchestrated these attacks in order to spread hatred.