Boy stabbed at school has died

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Oh my God! this is awful. A boy was stabbed today at a school just outside Aberdeen. Reports say he was only 15. Now twitter is saying he has died.

Cults academy.

I was really shocked to see this yesterday. So sad for everyone involved. My DH is a Dep Head, and I know he fears this kind of thing happening at his school. It is scary how one action can have such devastating consequences.

A number of my friends saw the police cars, vans and ambulances go buy. They then found out there was an incident at one of the schools (the primary is very near the academy). Each one of them thought of Dunblane as they raced for their cars and headed up to the schools. I really don't think this is a time or place to be campaigning for the relaxation of gun control laws.

Never was shocked. Thomas Hamilton was a one off.

I was off sick the day of the Dunblane massacre , settled myself down to a day of daytime telly. The horror that unfolded will never leave me. I cried buckets when Andy Murray spoke about that day recently.

I was surprised that the alleged perpetrator has been named, given that he seems to be under 18 and not yet convicted, am I the only one? I thought minors had anonymity until conviction and sometimes even after that.

BY no means condoning the act, I feel so sorry for Bailey and his family, just questioning the legality of the media here.

Was it an English media outlet? Scottish and English law differ and when Mikaeel Kular was killed, the English papers printed down south but nothing could be printed or sold in Scotland about his mother.

Daily Fail website apparently. Who would have thought they could be so morally reprehensible?

Scottish law tries 16+ as adults so they can be named.

Scottish news yesterday said that he couldn't be named for legal reasons and usually it's until that first appearance in court.

It's awful for all concerned, both families have lost a son in terrible ways.

Although to be fair, one son will go back to his family at some point in the future.

Reserving my sympathies for Bailey's poor, poor family.

SirChenjin yes, but that doesn't reduce my sympathy for the family. Both families are in a terrible situation.

Dreadful tragedy.

How the fuck does a young life lost to a stabbing lead someone to say we need the right to carry guns for protection in the UK
So instead of grabbing scissors or a knife and killing one lad, a schoolboy should be able to take his parents' guns and kill 20 kids ?

Right wing Republican logic.

Splatter - you are very kind to spare a thought for the family of the perpetrator .

I know a family who are in this exact situation - their young teenage son killed another teen .

They are good people who raised their children well , just like everyone on this thread . The father lost his job. The whole family had to move to another area as their other children were victimised because of what their brother had done . They changed their names . Their lives revolved around visiting their son in an institution.

Yes their son eventually got out on license , but he had no ability to function outside . Despite their very best efforts, he soon committed a ( very minor ) offence and was back inside an adult prison .

It's nearly destroyed all their lives too.

I'm not trying to take away from the loss experienced by the victims family BTW. Just saying they are victims too .

The pupils who witnessed this in school will be traumatised too . And the poor teachers who have to counsel them.

Such a tragedy for everyone involved .

Donthave not even going to read what you have posted on this thread as it will be the same shite you were pedalling on the thread about yet another shooting in the US - give it up. You are wrong in every argument you have made - you have been proved wrong in all the stats you are using. Stop using the tragic death of a child in a school that had nothing to do with guns to peddle that message that gun control causes more deaths than it prevents.

Of course there are 2 families who are never going to be the same and I have sympathy for both families (at this point, as I don't know what the situation is with the other boy) - but if I had to be one of them I know which side of the fence I would rather be on in this awful, awful situation.

have started a thread about the suspect. aged 16, who has been named and shamed in the tabloids, and a fake facebook page made up about him

bad situation all round.

I read on a BBC page? That the.boy who is the suspect had been suffering due to bullying and there are reports he was retaliating to that? Not that it excuses anything but if it turns out there has been a bullying problem that wasn't dealt with then both boys have obviously been failed. Even at 16 he is a child. I have a 16 yr old ds, one who is actually very mature, responsible and level headed but whilst they are grown up in many ways they are not fully mature and you wonder what makes a young boy act this way?

I know impulse control is still not fully developed at this age either, it's the part of the brain that matures last. I had an interesting discussing with paeds and camhs about it and thoughts on legal responsibility age etc a while back.

It's a tragedy for both families, though I do feel for Baileys family, you don't expect to send your child to school for them never to return.

See my post up thread about my brother's experience of the suspect.

I'm not saying he wasn't currently being bullied but there will be utter tripe stories trying to justify what he did. Last night I heard a first hand account from someone who was in the room when the scuffle broke out. My thoughts 100% remain with Bailey's poor family.

Actually otheeusername the stats support less gun control. It's pure speculation that he would have killed more people if his parents owned a gun, speculation that he'd be able to get it and take it in, or that he'd want to kill others as well. The stats say that violent crime is higher in states with higher gun control, lower in states with less gun control.

This killing happened despite very strict laws on carrying weapons so I felt it appropriate to mention. That legislation didn't protect this boy, yet it seems every time there's a shooting in the US people use it as an excuse to argue for gun control. Ignoring the fact that they are exploiting a tragic situation to talk politics, it's also factually wrong - this is the proof that legislation doesn't stop bad people. I'm not saying "this guy got stabbed so we should all carry guns", I'm just saying that as gun control is clearly not working, it might be time to rethink it.

Don't have we have been through this. You said you'd only post about it if someone asked you a question. They haven't so stop using the tragic death of a child that has nothing to do with guns to promote your perverse claptrap.

Don't - I know that you can post what you like as it's an open forum, but could I gently suggest that this isn't the place to start a debate about gun control? It might be better to start your own thread about the issue, given that you obviously feel strongly about it.

thoughts are with his family and the wider school community.

Dreadful.

Re: gun control. Start a different thread- this was dreadful isolated incident. It has nothing to do with guns in the US.

Chenjin I agree it's not the place, I just posted because this incident to me has shown that legislation doesn't work in preventing these things happening so it's time for a debate on the issue and taking action to make people safer. Fair enough this topic isn't the beat place for such a debate though.

So tragic. It doesn't bare thinking about you send your child to school and he doesn't come home. How could you possibly even begin to process that in your head.
I also feel sorry for the perpetrators family, their lives are never going to be the same again either