The situation with migrants and illegal immigration

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What is the answer?

I would hate to be in the position of making the decision because I hate to think of how desperate the individuals concerned must be.

But I can also quite see that there simply isn't the physical room to allow all of them into the UK, or the resources.

What is the answer? Is there no answer?

Assad is the one dropping barrel bombs claig. Assad is the one who unleashed militias across Syria. Assad also funded ISIS to take Western attention away from him.

Most Syrian refugees are fleeing from Assad. He's why members of our family have fled.

He's the one making those who weren't able to flee, suffer.

What a choice. Assad has massacred his own people.

And Saudi Arabia is funding other rebel groups against Assad.

Yes claig, those teenagers in Deraa who were tortured for writing graffiti were clearly agents of the West

You've never been to Syria, you have no clue what it's like. If Assad is so great, why did Syria have the world's youngest prisoner of conscience?

Why did the Hama and Tadmor massacres happen?

Why was everyone so scared of the secret police?

It is bad enough what the Syrian people are having to endure without lies being told about the butcher making them suffer.

' Assad also funded ISIS to take Western attention away from him.'

No he didn't.

'Millions of dollars must be arriving in Isis hands from outside Iraq and Syria, and the question must be asked: if it doesn’t come from within Saudi Arabia – or Qatar – who on earth is providing the wherewithal? Iceland? Peru?'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-if-the-saudis-arent-fuelling-the-militant-inferno-who-is-10024324.html

Yes, if people are being bombed by Assad, they will flee. But if a deal with Assa is done, if the policy changes, then the war will end and people will be able to return.

The refugee crisis is threatening the cohesion of the European Union. It is threatening open borders and will eventually lead to political parties losing elections. So a deal may now have to be done which can end the war.

'It is bad enough what the Syrian people are having to endure without lies being told about the butcher making them suffer.'

The rebellion against Assad has been funded and backed by outside forces and outside countries and outside jihadists and mercenaries. It takes money to do that. When that ends, then the war will end. That is what will end the refugee crisis too.

Finally after 5 years of this tragedy which was funded and backed by outside countries on a soverign nation, the UN are going to start doing something to really end the war.

"The United Nations humanitarian chief today urged the Security Council to do everything in its power to push for a political solution to end the conflict in Syria, as he described the immense suffering and destruction he witnessed for himself during a recent visit."

www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=51739#.Vei-U62FOic

Hundreds of thousands of people have died and millions have been displaced and now that the EU is facing a refugee crisis which threatens European cohesion, finally the cause of it all, the war, funded by outside powers, may be brought to an end.

Also an immigrant, married to a Brit (so ginger... that eventuality has already been discussed). Claig-it's always ordinary people - who resist. Would I resist threats to my equality, my children's future, my politics, my life? Of course, with all my skill and ability, but not necessarily militarily.
A deal with Assad - I can see that. Stop ISIS backers -hmmm.
Of course we are only a small island and can only do so much, but I feel very strongly that longterm thinking is equally important. I'm not sure that I can go through the rest of my life waking up to the news every day.

'it's always ordinary people - who resist. Would I resist threats to my equality, my children's future, my politics, my life? Of course, with all my skill and ability, but not necessarily militarily. '

What can you do against armed and funded butchers who behead people and are aided by outside backers? The Syrian Army is fighting them, what can ordinary people do against them?

Explain the barrel bombs then claig. Why is Assad dropping barrel bombs on civilians?

Explain the shabiha?

Explain where Assad gets his money from?

Still awaiting your explanation of Deraa.

Explain the Mukhabarat?

This is the solution

"Britain must talk to dictator Assad to defeat Isil, says former head of the Army

General Lord Dannatt, former head of British Army, says West must co-operate with Syrian dictator to defeat Isil"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11050367/Britain-must-talk-to-dictator-Assad-to-defeat-Isil-says-former-head-of-the-Army.html

As the refugee crisis causes a political crisis in EU capitals, then the EU politicians may have to adopt the solution the fomer head of the army suggested.

The Syrian army are the butchers.

My sister in law saw them beat a 13 year old boy to death in the street.

They shot her neighbour in the head while she was shopping with her children.

'Why is Assad dropping barrel bombs on civilians?'

I don't know. I assume he thinks he is targetting Isis, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra and the Syrian Free Army and not women and children.

'Explain where Assad gets his money from?'

From the Syrian economy, I presume.

'Still awaiting your explanation of Deraa.'

Don't know what Deraa is.

'Explain the Mukhabarat?'

Don't know what it is.

'The Syrian army are the butchers.'

I don't remember reading daily reports of them doing what we read about Isis doing.

If you don't know these things, then you shouldn't be pontificating about Syria.

If you haven't heard about Syrian civilians being slaughtered by barrel bombs , you're reading the wrong news sources. Google "Douma masacre".

It's a free country, I can pontificate about what I like and I don't have to agree with your views on the Syrian Free Army. I prefer Assad's secular regime to a bunch of Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and Isis jihadists running parts of Syria and causing the instability which jas led to millions of people becoming refugees.

I agree with the former head of the British army. He makes sense to me.

"Britain must talk to dictator Assad to defeat Isil, says former head of the Army

General Lord Dannatt, former head of British Army, says West must co-operate with Syrian dictator to defeat Isil"

Yes, it is a free country here. You can indeed share your views,no matter how ill-informed.

Not like Syria for the past 40 years. Funny that.

As for the links between Assad and ISIS, read this:
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/assad-and-the-art-of-the-devils-gambit/374501/

Is General Lord Dannatt ill-informed when he says we should cooperate withh Assad to defeat Isis? How long are we going to let this go on, how many more people are going to die and how many more people will drown in the Mediterranean trying to escape the devastation and destruction of Syria?

Well, we will have to come up with ideas how to defeat ISIS. Theoretically speaking, the only option requires everyone all over the world to come together and work against ISIS (including some of the world's biggest companies).

Social media giants should shut down accounts linked to ISIS, and set up a combined task force to hunt them down. This is how they try recruit, and I think the technology sector can help a lot more here. Data mining software can help, too. Whatever ISIS does, whether it's to do with financing their operations or their communication, it will leave a trace. Technology that helps here already exists (e.g. Palantir - a data mining company that was funded by the CIA, and whose software essentially led to the death of Osama bin Laden).

Given that there aren't many islamic banks, terrorists must be using global banks. There will be traces here. If the kind of tech companies I mention above could help analyze data from the banks, we might get further. This is Big Data, so should theoretically not break confidentiality clauses. And even if, things are flagged up, these banks actually have a duty of care to prevent money laundering, and should be able to intervene legally.

Adopting a no-nonsense approach is also required. Even we know from the news where ISIS is. Where their training camps are is probably not too much of a secret either. Stop filling pity for those who joined. Use long-range missile bombs with maximum efficiency.

If everyone in the developing world came together just for once, ISIS could be stomped out. Quite sure about that. Whatever tech they have, we should be able to beat it.

Do you think the Free Syrian Army can run Syria? They are often defeated by Al Nusra and Isis? What would happen to Syria and Palmyra if Isis defeats Assad? It could turn into another Libya and people won't be able to return under such a barbaric regime.

'Time for Britain to save humanity and heritage from Isil

The destruction of Palmyra and Europe’s resultant migrant crisis both demand a British military response'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11837385/Time-for-Britain-to-save-humanity-and-heritage-from-Isil.html

If it happens, then hopefully it will be as General Lord Dannatt suggested, in cooperation with Assad against Isis and not against Assad who is fighting the narbaric Jihadists.

Sorry... stop 'feeling'... jeez... it's late.

'ISIS could be stomped out'

Absolutely. Iran could do it, if a deal is done and they are allowed to.

He's saying we should do a deal with the devil because the other Devils are even worse.

There can, sadly, be more than on type of evil bastard in the world at a time. Both Assad and ISIS certainly qualify. The mukhabarat has committed crimes just as terrible as anything ISIS has dreamed up.

It is not at all clear how we can stop this, even if we did a deal with Assad.

I personally believe that the only way a ground invasion could succeed would be to put troops in on the scale of post-ww2 occupied Germany. I think there is no chance whatsoever of doing that. It would probably require conscription to achieve, for a start

HomeHelpMeGawd , we don't know the implications of Obama's deal with Iran. The Iranian army could wipe out the Jihadi mercenaries in Isis quite easily if the US gives them the green light, but the US has to worry about its allies like Saudi Arabai and therefore can't allow that.