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Rebecca Minnock - on the run with child after court battle

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BreakingDad77 · 11/06/2015 11:16

Is this one of those cases we wont get to the bottom of as to whether she is someone with MH problems or scheming father driving her to them?

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Spero · 11/06/2015 22:26

unaware that I have completely contradicted myself, but always happy to be enlightened.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 22:28

With respect, why post a load of shite that is nothing more than projection, do one respectively.

VikingVolva · 11/06/2015 22:31

There's a difference between knowing there's another side of the story when reading one party's blog; and with reading a court report where both sides have been able to make their cars.

No contradiction.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 22:32

Apologies Spero, comments not aimed at you

Spero · 11/06/2015 22:32

Unaware that I have posted a load of shite, but happy to be enlightened.

But perhaps you would just like me to 'do one' instead?

I assume you are talking to me?

difficult to care, er I mean to know.

Spero · 11/06/2015 22:32

ooops, too late, I have already got the hump.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 22:36

I'm sorry Spero,

My 6 years began after a Cancer diagnosis, and after 5 years of court we're there.

Spero · 11/06/2015 22:45

I am sorry to hear that. I hope that means you are in remission and have finally got to the end of the court case?

If not, my profound sympathies on both counts. I've had cancer and chemo and I wonder how much of that was impacted by the stress of my own personal life.

I am a single parent now so I have both personal and professional experience of just how hard it can be. Experience really is bitter - but you do learn, at least.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 23:03

Spero

Thank you, I'm five years clear but the Cancer was the easy bit to be honest, I reacted to the 'man got cancer' comment, funnily enough that stuff can get to you.

Thank you for your kind comments, I've also represented myself through child protection issues, it's been tough.

DressMeHeadToFootInTommy · 11/06/2015 23:12

4candles that's such a naive view. If my x had been even a tiny bit reasonable, capable of compromise at all, I wouldn't have left him. He has not become more reasonable after I left him that's for sure.

I do find that view 'think of the kids and stop fighting' well meaning but so naive. I can only behave well on behalf of one person, me. I can't control anybody else. I can't make anybody else be reasonable. I can't make anybody else compromise.

springalong · 11/06/2015 23:19

the quote from judgement "Further, if the mother had any valid basis for challenging the orders of the District Judge, she could have sought permission to appeal. She did not do so."

This is crap. You can probably get the permission to appeal (in an effort to appear fair) but it is the next step of actually going to appeal that is almost impossible. Appealing judgements from the family court is very difficult. They are designed very carefully to ensure that appeal is close to impossible. I found issues on accuracy of evidence in every single paragraph of my recent judgment. I typed 4 1/2 pages of rebuttal - it was still not (considered) enough to go to appeal. It is a decision made behind closed doors and cannot be adequately scrutinised. Our family courts need scrapping and starting again.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 23:21

DressMe,

Your view is also incredibly naive and beyond.

sonnyson12 · 11/06/2015 23:28

Spring

Crap? Probably get permission? (if you can find fault, not so difficult if there is a fault with a judgement).

'They' are not designed 'very carefully' to ensure any appeal is close to impossible. By George you've erd some victim bull.

howtorebuild · 12/06/2015 00:41

She has contacted The Mail now.

plinkyplonks · 12/06/2015 01:50

I feel so desperately sad for her :(

Spero · 12/06/2015 06:33

Spring along - but not only did she NOT try to appeal, she didn't even turn up to the hearing!

If you are saying - family courts are so shit, just don't turn up, don't obey orders, do whatever the hell you like.... Can you not see how that is going to create a situation even worse than the one we have already?

Any parent who doesn't like what they hear can just do whatever they like when they like. Brilliant.

If Rebecaa Minnock is victim of a stich up then you have to accept a LA SW, Tara Bolton the guardian, Dr Berelowitz AND the judge were all in on it.

You don't think there is a teeny chance They might be right?

I also feel sad for her - but at the same time I recognise she has done a very stupid thing and I am afraid in life we must take the consequences of our stupid choices.

undoubtedly · 12/06/2015 07:27

Spero I don't think I have ever read so much sense on one thread on MN! Agree with every word.

I also agree with DressMe though. I had high hopes after my split that ex and I would be able to work an amicable solution to care for DS. Unfortunately you can't achieve this on your own!

It takes two to have an amicable contact arrangement....

Spero · 12/06/2015 07:33

Your £20 is in the post...

Lucy reed, the author of the Transparency Project blog post, and who was at court for both hearings on 8 and 9 June is on the Today programme talking about this at about 7.50. Should be worth a listen.

undoubtedly · 12/06/2015 07:42

Oh interesting. I'm out of the UK Spero, do you think you could summarise (couple of sentences only, I'm not wanting to take up your time!) once she's been on?

Interesting to see what someone on the inside has to say...

Spero · 12/06/2015 08:26

Sadly I am in Helsinki at the moment - or I could have been on BBC News! I offered to phone them from a tram but surprisingly they weren't up for that.

But judging from Twitter feedback she gave a good balanced account of how system is supposed to operate. I am sure she will blog about it so I will post that link if you don't have bbc I player access.

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 12/06/2015 09:58

Hello all

Thanks to everyone who reported this thread to us.

We know it's a very emotive issue but we need to remind you that the case is subject to an ongoing police investigation, so we'd really rather not have out and out speculation on the thread. Let's bear in mind that there is a young child at the centre of all of this.

The latest judgment, which can be found here, is clear that it's okay to 'publish any details provided by this judgment (which is in the public domain anyway) and also may publish photographs of the child, the mother or the father with a view to aiding in the discovery of the child’s whereabouts.'

We hope that clears things up.

Thanks

excelsior83 · 12/06/2015 10:55

I'm saddened by the family law system within the UK. I have witnessed how the courts primary focus is on father's rights (sadly even in cases in that fathers have been found guilty of repeated violence, contact almost always leads to unsupervised).

Mothers are currently being trampled over within the family courts. Because of pressure from father's rights groups.

I think it's important that people understand, just because allegations have not been proven, doesn't mean they are false. Yet in the family courts, if there is not enough evidence to to support a parent's claims, findings will be made to the opposite effect. I think polyograph testing should be brought into the court process! It would certainly weed out those who are abusive, and spare man thousands of victims of domestic violence, and concerned loving parents who are trying to protect their children, from further abuse. Most importantly it would help to protect children (any parent who has been abusive would run a mile from the court process, if this was brought in).

Regardless of the circumstances, the mother obviously isn't a danger to her child, or the courts would have had to release a statement to that effect. I am saddened, that a three year old boy who has lived with his mother for his whole life, is to be taken away from his mother. This is taking father's rights to a whole other level. And regardless of whether her allegations weren't found to be a fact, it is cruel to remove a small child from his mother. This will have a detrimental effect on his life.

We are moving in the direction of children being split down the middle, as if they are property, and if parents don't comply this will be the consequence, the courts will change residence. This is terrible for children.

This will inevitably end sadly for the mother, because there is no where for her to turn, and the law is on the father's side. My heart goes out to her xx

mkz10 · 12/06/2015 11:03

I feel so sad for the little boy ! It can't be the right thing to take him from his mother who has raised him since he was a baby, and who is clearly a good mother despite the awful relationship between the parents. It seems almost spiteful and a punishment for the mother, and ultimately the little boy suffers.

Could the courts/ social workers not have found some other way to enforce the fathers visitation rights, without resorting to such a heavy handed response of removing the child from his mother and his home?

AnyoneForTennis · 12/06/2015 11:09

It's not 'mothers right' or 'fathers rights'..... They don't have any rights! The 'rights' are the child's. And this mother is denying the child

I'd say yes, right now she is a danger to the child

AnyoneForTennis · 12/06/2015 11:10

Fathers 'visitation rights' ?? I despair....

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