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Rebecca Minnock - on the run with child after court battle

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BreakingDad77 · 11/06/2015 11:16

Is this one of those cases we wont get to the bottom of as to whether she is someone with MH problems or scheming father driving her to them?

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 15/06/2015 11:56

Icimoi - I DO know (far more than I would wish to) about the Scottish system. It isn't a case of 'getting legal aid to take the LA to court under Tribunal'. Read up on the Named Person stuff, to start with - and how it is being used.

Therapeutic?

It seems that that judge has given a very sensible statement, above.

VoyageOfDad · 15/06/2015 12:23

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Aermingers · 15/06/2015 12:48

From what the judge has been saying it sounds like there is little doubt she fabricated the allegations.

The judge is also saying the judge is taking steps to stop her seeking publicity. So I expect the mail will have plenty of stories from unnamed 'friends' speaking 'in condition of anonimity' over the next few weeks.

KingTut · 15/06/2015 12:52

It either says a lot about the mastermind who manipated the publicity stunt or the press.

undoubtedly · 15/06/2015 12:59

I'm pleased to see that the Judge today took a dim view of Ms Minnock's actions.

She should be shitting herself. It's not looking at all good for her.

sonnyson12 · 15/06/2015 13:01

I wouldn't describe the mother or her family as 'masterminds'. They have attempted to manipulate public opinion and the press and failed miserably as the majority of the public but clearly not all are not so easily manipulated.

Bellemere · 15/06/2015 13:02

It either says a lot about the mastermind who manipated the publicity stunt or the press.

It says a lot about HER. She did not have to go to the press. She contacted them, they weren't hounding her.

Icimoi · 15/06/2015 13:07

King Tut, surely if you're in the fight you don't roll over and say "Anything for a quiet life"? When you're forced to fight anyway, that is when it is therapeutic to discover that the law puts some weapons into your hands. That is also, of course, when it is utterly stupid to try to go outside the law as RM is now, I hope, discovering.

ChaiseLounger · 15/06/2015 13:08

Therapeutic Icimoi?
Sad
No. Not for me.
I'll try not to sob tomorrow at my complaint meeting. Then I'll come back to you.

ChaiseLounger · 15/06/2015 13:09

I do agree that it was right that the judge took a dim view of her actions.

sonnyson12 · 15/06/2015 13:11

Her family and supporters are so blinkered in their gynocentric 'mother knows best' thinking, that they fail to realise they are not helping the mother at all and are only encouraging her behaviour.

She has obviously been able to manipulate those around her easily and thought she would able to do the same with the court and wider public.

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever, only for the child and the father.

KingTut · 15/06/2015 13:11

No I don't have a personality disorder and I am not a power crazed drama lama who uses military and emotionally manipulative language like those that get off on a fight.

sonnyson12 · 15/06/2015 13:17

Sadly, those individuals that have high conflict personalities do get off on a fight, they 'get off' on attention be it positive or negative.

And personally speaking it is the most stressful and horrible experience to have to endure.

Comment not aimed at you KinfTut, I have no experience of the situation you are in so would not feel able to comment on that. I am referring to this case.

Aermingers · 15/06/2015 13:23

So, has the case finished? If so is no further action being taken against her? It's unclear, because the judge talks about a 'break' for people to consider their actions, but it isn't clear if that means lunch or a couple of weeks.

KingTut · 15/06/2015 13:25

Maybe the press are looking for a new mastermind to manipulate them, before they report anymore.

sonnyson12 · 15/06/2015 13:30

Aermingers,

I think that there will be several months/years of court hearings ahead.

The mother has had too many chances, disobeyed orders and was even stating publicly yesterday that she would do the same again and again. She has completely lost the trust of the court and that will take time, supervision and good behaviour that demonstrates a genuine change in attitude on her part which will take a long time.

It was decided that she must have supervised contact at the last hearing and her response was to abduct the child in an attempt to manipulate the media and public. The court will not be held to ransom and they are hardly likely to reverse that decision due to here recent irresponsible behaviour.

All the mother has done by her most recent actions is to show the court why she absolutely must have supervised contact.

Icimoi · 15/06/2015 13:38

KingTut, I sincerely hope that that post at 13.11 wasn't the wholly unwarranted and offensive personal attack that it sounded like.

Icimoi · 15/06/2015 13:41

Aermingers, the judge referred to a further hearing to be held in private to discuss any further proceedings and decide the arrangements for Ethan, and said that he may also have to look at what should be done about the mother's contempt of court.

KingTut · 15/06/2015 13:46

Having only found a sky report quoting more from the Judge, his words when put together in context are well thought out. It is a shame only highlights of his words to were quoted. It's doing the Judge a disservice really.

Icimoi · 15/06/2015 13:56

Further judge's comments:

"Huge amounts of time, effort and money were spent on the case and it is simply unfair for a party to attempt to use the press in an attempt to deny another person justice.

"Not only is it absurd for anyone to try to 'play the press' in that way, because that inevitably backfires, but it is also an utterly irresponsible way to behave from the point of view of the welfare of a child."

He said that during the two-year custody battle between Ms Minnock and Ethan's father, Roger Williams, it had "been found that the mother positively invented allegations against the father on two occasions".

He added: "The father has not at any time embarked on anything like the publicity stunt in which the mother's family has engaged."

KingTut · 15/06/2015 13:59

Waiting for the full plain text Judgemet.

ChaiseLounger · 15/06/2015 14:03

Icimoi , I don't think the 13.11 was.
I read it to be a response, like what tit would actually say to those that had accused her, if she was given the chance.
But that's just how I myself read it.

KingTut · 15/06/2015 14:18

I wonder if RM has had any contact with Thomas Kenny, he sounds like he could be the mastermind, he too was labeled manipulative by a Judge today.

sonnyson12 · 15/06/2015 14:43

KingTut,

Don't be absurd, that case is completely irrelevant to this one aside from they are two highly manipulate people.

Why do you keep making reference to some mythical 'mastermind'.

Are you still trying to blame anyone and everyone but RM for her own disgusting actions?

Icimoi · 15/06/2015 14:45

Chaise, in the context of the discussion the post in question rather strongly suggests that the epithets KingTut has used apply to those who suggest that it is helpful to fight back against an LA that is bullying them. I am not normally quick to look for offence which is why I gave KT the opportunity to disclaim any intention to make a personal attack. Sadly, despite posting on the thread subsequently she has failed to do so, which rather suggests that that was precisely her intention. Which is rather a shame as I really cannot see what provoked it.