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Rebecca Minnock - on the run with child after court battle

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BreakingDad77 · 11/06/2015 11:16

Is this one of those cases we wont get to the bottom of as to whether she is someone with MH problems or scheming father driving her to them?

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Twinklestein · 14/06/2015 21:39

There's a specific reason I say that Spero: lawyers work exceptionally long hours. Some female lawyers take time out to rear children, but generally the male ones don't. All of the the lawyers I grew up around who went on to become judges, and all of the ones I know now, particularly QCs who would like to go on to become judges, work immensely long hours which means that they are not intimately involved in day to day parenting.

I don't actually think that judges are the best people to be making decisions about whom a young child will live with in cases such as these full stop. They don't have any training in child psychology and development. However female judges have commonly taken time out of their careers early on to look after their own children, so they are more likely to have direct personal experience of child development issues.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 21:40

Inkanta,

Yes we do know, the court found her to have been emotionally harming the child.

Of course is it doesn't mean she can never redeem herself and make amends but she is clearly and very publicly doing the exact opposite.

I imagine she will have to prove to the court under supervision that she is willing to not emotionally harm the child any longer. She has completely lost the trust of the court entirely due to her own selfish behaviour.

Twinklestein · 14/06/2015 21:42

And the decision has been made that this woman is emotionally abusive on the basis of what evidence?

All the evidence we have is that she has not cooperated over contact. We do not know why.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 21:42

Father, mother, child.

There is nothing misogynistic about saying mother or woman when referring to this case.

Spero · 14/06/2015 21:43

HHJ Wildblood has four young children.

Are you suggesting he is ignorant about their welfare because he works long hours?

Have a word with yourself.

KingTut · 14/06/2015 21:43

Life must be so exhausting living with all those high emotions.

I am in shock at the notion female QC's should only judge in child welfare cases.

If the issue is training then highlight that, not gender.Hmm

Am I lin a time warp here?

Spero · 14/06/2015 21:44

WE DO KNOW WHY.

If you can spare some time from spouting sexist drivel, maybe read the judgments.

Twinklestein · 14/06/2015 21:45

sonny the court found that she had obstructed contact and the psychiatrist said he/she did believe her allegations against her ex. That's all.

KingTut · 14/06/2015 21:46

Opinion of a professional. See this is the problem.

Inkanta · 14/06/2015 21:47

Yes Sonnyson I'm sure, by depriving the father of access. And then she got quite desperate it seems.

I get the impression a similar situation happened to you. I haven't read all the thread if you've talked about it already but did your situation get resolved OK.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 21:48

Twinklestein,

The court was satisfied that the mothers repeated false allegations and taking him to hospital to be examined on the night prior to a court hearing was exposing the child to significant emotional harm.

She has failed to provide any evidence to support her non cooperation. She has also not bothered to attend a court hearing, not bother to appeal any decision and taken the law into her own hands by abducting the child.

Spero · 14/06/2015 21:50

Not only did she make false allegations she took the child to hospital to be examined for non existent sexual abuse.

That is appalling. And abusive.

She can redeem herself by agreeing to stop this kind of behaviour. But she has already publicly proclaimed she won't.

Twinklestein · 14/06/2015 21:52

Do you have any idea of the hours QCs work Spero? When they are involved in a trial their partners basically run the family single-handedly.

Inkanta · 14/06/2015 21:55

Spero - don't get too silly with the sexist angle. Do we actually know for sure the truth of the matter - the history and background of these two parents. Because I would like to understand it all and what went wrong. Was she deluded, or angry or what exactly happened? We won't ever know for sure. We only know what is reported in court. That's not always the truth and miscarriages of justice frequently happen.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 21:57

Inkanta,

Thank you for asking, yes everything seems to be resolved but after several years and court orders and I don't know if I will ever be able to genuinely trust my ex wife as I would like to be able to.

But thankfully our child now has two loving parents, living with each of us fairly equally and absolutely thriving educationally and emotionally. Mum and I are communicating frequently and well.

I suspect that had my ex wife continued with her behaviour that a similar outcome to this case could have been a very real possibility. Not the abduction but the transfer of residence. Not that either of us has residence, our child just lives with mum and dad.

Twasthecatthatdidit · 14/06/2015 22:00

My god. A lurker here, but I cannot actually believe the recent posts here. Court judgements, professional opinions, abduction and parading her poor son around in front of the cameras in a media frenzy which makes my heart twist with pity for him - and there are some people here who refuse to believe this is an emotionally abusive person? Because she's a mother?!

Inkanta · 14/06/2015 22:01

Sonny - good job! Wink

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 22:02

Inkanta,

I previously posted this quote from the Judge.

"The mother has been legally represented in
hearings before the District Judge. There has been an exceptionally high level of investigation and three major court hearings in which the mother’s allegations against the father have all been rejected. If the mother had any valid dissatisfaction with the orders of the District Judge she could have sought permission to appeal from them as is provided by Rule 30 of The Family Procedure Rules 2010; she did not do so.

The remedy for
dissatisfaction with a court order relating to a child does not lie in making off with the child into hiding. The father, who has suffered immense emotional and financial stress from these proceedings also and has had to fight off false allegations over a number of years, has responded appropriately to court orders and has complied with them; if he had behaved as the mother has done, how would she regard his actions?

Twinklestein · 14/06/2015 22:04

I have read the judgment. She says her ex was controlling and sexually inappropriate. The psychiatrist decided that this was false.

When she refused to accept that her ex was innocent of the allegations contact was changed from 4 days/3 days to her contact being supervised.

A sw decided that Ethan was not safe with his mother, but the psychiatrist noted a 'warm' relationship with both parents. So which is it?

We have heard all these different opinions but we have not heard Ms Dinnock speak for herself. So we still don't know the precise nature of the allegations all we know is their general nature as reported by the court. Without her testimony, it's impossible to assess this case.

KingTut · 14/06/2015 22:05

Shock < - Yawn @ The repeated emotive misogynistic clap trap.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 22:06

I can definitely relate to years of immense emotional and financial stress from proceedings.

This kind of behaviour damages everyone involved, child, father, mother and extended family.

I think the positive in this case is that it has been brought to public attention.

And whether it was her intention or not, can only thank the mother for that.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 22:11

Do you actually have anything of any worth to contribute to this thread KingTut?

Or do you just accuse people of being misogynistic if they dare to criticise a woman's dreadful behaviour.

You are behaving like an attention seeking child that is unable to contribute to a discussion but still wants some attention.

Katz · 14/06/2015 22:11

Twinkle - we don't get to judge, the numerous professionals in this case do. And as far she can't be emotionally abusing her child because the SW noted they had a warm relationship, seriously!!!

KingTut · 14/06/2015 22:14

I have many posts earlier on this thread, before the ott emotive misogynistic posts were made. Shock < - Yawn @ more put downs.

You missed my post defending the male judge, I guess it didn't fit in with your agenda.

sonnyson12 · 14/06/2015 22:16

and she could have continued to have a warm relationship with her child if she didn't emotionally abuse him.

She can still have a warm relationship her child if she can prove to the courts satisfaction that she will not emotionally abuse him.

Why is it when a mother is guilty of abusing a child do some people want to try and make everyone but the mother accountable.