Rebecca Minnock - on the run with child after court battle

[BreakingDad77]

Is this one of those cases we wont get to the bottom of as to whether she is someone with MH problems or scheming father driving her to them?

Thank you. I'm not naive or stupid. Re the neighbours comments in the paper. I do take it with a pinch of salt!

I appreciate the ex has been noted as behaving exemplary throughout.

But I was just saying, that it may be true that ex didn't behave beautifully during split, mother has been assessed by endless professionals who jumped to conclusions and painted her as Emotionally abusive, when in fact she wasn't. And maybe the neighbours are right, maybe she was a good mum.

Who was victimised and misunderstood by the system. And then she did something very very silly.
Or she could be a nasty piece of work and a bad mum.

I'm just saying that both are possibilities.

Professionals get it wrong sometimes. Judges go on the information they are given. But that info can easily be not the whole picture.

Chaise,

You are the one making 'shocking judgemental presumptions.

The system has prevented the mother in her attempts to destroy the relationship between a child and father.

@sonnyson
The part of control, the father has.
The mother just a huge loss right now...
Of course, blame the Mother for her mothers instinct.
A father with common sense would have acted for the emotionell needs of this little boy, not just by the courts.
Do you think this acting has anything to do with Family?
And a Family is what this child needs.
Not the court....

@need a scarf
many children here are diagnosed wrong in autism.
I live on a place where we have no Specialists for this.
And the "father" of my son gave influence to the "specialists"
I believe until today he did this, to hide the things he has done to my boy.
In the country where I was than on the run, my Son was diagnosed as normal.
( but Posttraumatic stress disorder)

I am glad to read that she handed herself in.
That was the best she could do to get her boy back.
The truth willl always come out on the end.

The mother has not been victimised. She is trying to play the victim.

Chaise, how do you suggest the system failed? The father had to start court action to get access to his son within a very short time after his birth. He would not have needed to if the mother had recognised his right to a part in his child's life from the outset. This has been going on for ages with the mother regularly trying to thwart access visits. What should "the system" have done to avoid that?

I certainly would pay no attention to the neighbours. Those interviewed describe themselves as friends of the mother, and claim to be motivated by outrage at the fact that she was going to be denied all contact with her child. The trouble is that no-one has ever suggested that she would. I wonder where they got that perception from? And indeed their information about how the father allegedly behaved?

Chaise, it's a matter of record that the mother made offensive allegations about the father: at one point it was that he used drugs and, when that was disproved, she turned to the allegations of abuse. It's also a matter of record that Ethan had to be medical examined as a result of her allegations. It's a matter of record that the court, which has considered all the evidence and heard the witnesses, has decided that her allegations were false. It's a matter of record that she has not appealed against those findings.

Don't you think that making up false allegations about the child's father, trying to prevent the child having anything to do with his father and causing him to be subjected to intrusive medical examinations is emotionally abusive?

The fact the mother made a statement in the way she did in front of her child says everything about the type of mum she is, IMO.

And it's fairly common for people to not behave well in the event of a split. NO doubt if my ex tried to remove access to my child I probably wouldn't behave all that well either.

The only person responsible for the position Rebecca is in now is Rebecca.

people need to stop diagnosing conditions they aren't qualified to diagnose, stop excusing this woman's behavior and acknowledge that abducting a child is not the answer. And stop telling people not to judge. If this was a father doing the same those telling people not to judge the mother would be first to judge the father.

Verena, I don't understand what you think the father should have done. Surely you don't suggest that he should simply have given up on him?

Verena,

What about the father huge loss when his child was abducted?

'mothers instinct'? what kind of mothers instinct attempts to destroy the relationship between a child and father and then abducts the child when she doesn't get her own way.

The father was left with no choice but to go to court and doing so was acting in the child's best interests and for his emotional need to have a father (and mother).

A family and two loving parents is most definitely what the child needs and the mother tried to deprive her child of those needs.

The truth is already out there Skully.

Professionals get it wrong sometimes. Judges go on the information they are given. But that info can easily be not the whole picture.

Of course they do - there are, in all professions, individuals who aren't very good at their jobs.

In this case, there have been literally dozens of professionals involved. Medical experts, psychologists, guardians, social workers (both LA and CAFCASS).
What is the likelyhood that the are all wrong? That each time Rebecca made an allegation, the professionals who investigated that case were wrong?

I accept that there are times when overworked and stressed professionals may not look at closely at a case as they should, or make assumptions based on previous experience - but in this case, Rebacca has provided professionals with many different opportunities to investigate Ethans circumstances and in each case they have all drawn the same conclusion.

What is more likely; that the various different independent professionals have all made the same repeated mistake over the last 3 years, or that Rebecca was trying to manipulate the system? Her parents have, after all, admitted that she ran away in order to manipulate the press.

@sonnyson
and what about the Kid???
you write here all the time about the father!
What about this poor kid?
And what about the mother who sees her boy now for a VERY long time just supervised? For a couple of hours a week....

From my opinion, the father is just playing a game to hurt the mother.
He is very likely using the kid as a gun.
And can live now with a smile on his face.

He won, so what are you talking about?

What on earth are you talking about?

I have frequently referred to the mother, father and child.

The mother will need to be supervised because she is untrustworthy and has emotionally abused her child.

There is absolutely no evidence of the father playing any games and if you have ever had to fight for the relationship with your own child you would know that it is certainly no 'game'.

The mother has clearly been using the child as a weapon for most of his life.

I am sure the father is relieved but there are no 'winners' in this story at this point.

That's what I'm talking bout.

From my opinion, the father is just playing a game to hurt the mother.

Do you know Ethans father? It may be unwise for you to be posting here if so; perhaps you'd be better off talking to the police to support Rebecca's case if you have evidence that would help?

Or, are you just basing your 'opinion' about him on his lack of a uterus?

Verena, what about the kid? Why should he have been consistently denied a relationship with his father from the moment of his birth? The only reason the mother is in this position is because of the way she has behaved. If she had recognised and facilitated her son's right to have his father in his life she would not be in this position now.

I strongly believe, that if the father would have behaved in a familiar way, that the mother would never had denied the acces to the child.
As well this acting from mothers side has something to do with Mothers instinct, and influence of the relatives.

What the father than showed to the Socialworkers, was for sure not his true face.
When the mother speaks about drug addiction, she must have a reason for this.
I was as well accused of making false allegations in relation to my Ex drug addiction. Just because he did drugtests on his own behalf and bought Urin cleaner from the internet.

Verena - I think your own experience is distinctly clouding your ability to be objective here.

It's not about anyone "winning", it's about Ethan's best interests and welfare.

Many professionals have decided over a period of two years, that Ethan is better living with the father - with whom he spent the majority of his time before RM abducted him.

At no point in any of the judgements was it recommended breaking the "bond" between mother and son by denying RM contact, however it was decided that due to her emotional abuse of her son this was to be supervised initially. This is to promote a healthy, stable relationship between Ethan and his mother. Not to punish RM as you seem to think.

You have to accept the fact that someone is female does not equate to them being a good parent, capable of putting their child's needs before their own.

Peruvian, it can sometimes happen.
It happened to sally Clarke. Sir Roy meadow made a historic miscalculation. But even before then, innumerable professionals had been involved -17 I think

Verena will you stop banging on about mother's instinct?

It's nonsensical.

Verena, as I understand it you have no personal knowledge of the facts of this case. You seem to be making some ridiculous assumptions on the basis of no evidence at all.

@need a scarf
It might be as you say. My case was a "little bit" more extrem than this one. I am of course deeply infected by this theme...

Last week my boy now 7 hugged me, and he was crying and said Munny all this is too much for me, I miss you too much.
Nobody on Planet Earth, can convince me, that this is right.

Its just wrong to take away from Children, their Mother!

Bonkers!

The reason for the mother making allegations was to frustrate contact and try to destroy the relationship.

Why are you fabricating nonsense about the father?

Sorry posted too soon.
Many professionals can be involved and can direct a case. And then it all be proven wrong.

Did you see the recent series 'born naughty'? Many professionals had dismissed those parents, but they were eventually diagnosed with severe autism.

I saw an article about ibs. 12 women who had been misdiagnosed with all sorts of diseases, including anorexia and just attention seeking. But then all were so ill, had colostomy bags fitted and were better.

So these things can happen. Actually, I think it happens quitea bit but.