Charlotte Wyatt to go into foster care

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...because, according to the news, her seperated parents can't give her the care that she needs. It so sad, I want to cry. Poor, poor Charlotte, poor, poor parents.

The mother is probably ill . I'm not sure she is able to cope at the moment. I feel deeply sorry for her tbh. The dynamics of the Wyatt marriage have intrigued me throughout the case. I too don't think it is a matter for the public domain but I have wondered whether Debbie Wyatt was entirely happy with the court case and the outcome. She said little in press interviews IIRC.

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So only you can make assertions about Charlotte's condition then Rust? It is common knowledge that Charlotte's condition has changed. It is the reason why the DNR order was removed at a second court hearing.

Doctors are not always right, and why do YOU have the right to say whether a life is worth living? If Charlotte was my child I might have felt differently, or I might not. I don't know.
To indicate the difference between what doctors said then and now, this report was from the original hearing:
Portsmouth Hospitals NHS Trust believed she had "no feelings other than continuing pain" and argued that it would be "futile and cruel" to prolong her life artificially in the event of her condition worsening. It said she was deaf, blind and unable to react to familiar faces and claimed that the chances of her surviving the next 12 months were "virtually zero".

And this reports a recent letter to her father:
Charlotte's doctor, Simon Birch, said in a recent letter to her father: 'While limited in scope for interaction, Charlotte has an appreciation of her environment and can take pleasure in this.

'For example, she seems happy on hearing specific types of music and enjoys anticipation games such as "Round and round the garden, like a teddy bear".'

Last year there was a human rights violation ruling against doctors from the Portsmouth NHS trust caring for Charlotte Wyatt. They gave diamorphine to 12-year-old David Glass - also a patient at St Mary's - to ease his predicted death. Relatives resuscitated him. Now 18, he is living with his family. (That is from The Guardian btw)

Both the Wyatt parents suffered very hard childhoods with spells in care. Debbie has had PND and was planning to be sterilised after her last child. Yet they get accused of all sorts on this thread. I hope they don't read it, and they might well, you know.

out of interest what sort of life does he have?

but people live in pain every day?

I suspect it may be a life that some people on this thread would consider utterly worthless and not value for money.

I am not angry with you for your comments and i understand completely where you are coming from, but Every one has a right to there own thoughts ans maybe you are the dictator, I don't know you so could not possibly say, but I do think every one has interesting views and we should all listnen not just rant

By sorrell on Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 4:08:19 PMI suspect it may be a life that some people on this thread would consider utterly worthless and not value for money.

You really don't listnen, I enjoy discussing and find other people's view very interesting but for goodnedd sake - do you really think that of anyone on here

Rust, it is very sad that you cannot really come on MN and express your views properly. You will learn this over time.

I am truly HORRIFIED by the standards reports about Mrs Wyatt. Poor Mrs Wyatt? .
She's fought to keep her severly disabled daughter alive, fair enough, she's gone on to have two more children when she's clearly already under the cosh and this would severly imagine on her ability to care for her disabled daughter and her other younger kids. Then she splits up from her husband,the youngest child is in foster care , I am I supposed to believe that this is because Mrs Wyatt is very able to cope so it was a great informed and educated decision to have yet more children wasn't it?
Now she won't even see her daughter. And you are asking me to have compasion and feel sorry for this woman. I can now safely say not only do I not feel compassion but I feel extreme anger towards how she has behaved. I am gobsmacked that there are people here who think she has right on her side, absolutely amazing.
Lets' see how much more of my money she can spend. perhaps she's like to have a few more kids that she can't look after, after all it would her right wouldn't it?

Because you are the voice of reason here

money doesnt come into it

everyone has a right to life, and IMO should have someone fighting their corner at all times. The DNR was placed over charlotte, but as far as i know, she has never needed to be resusitated anyway, so it hasnt made a heap of difference. she would still be alive today, unless the docs wanted to withdraw food anf fluids, which i think cant be done in the country.

charlotte is alive as she is a heck of a strong child. her dad wants to care for her but isnt allowed to.

Rust, it is very sad that you cannot really come on MN and express your views properly. You will learn this over time.

I am truly HORRIFIED by the standards reports about Mrs Wyatt. Poor Mrs Wyatt? .
She's fought to keep her severly disabled daughter alive, fair enough, she's gone on to have two more children when she's clearly already under the cosh and this would severly imagine on her ability to care for her disabled daughter and her other younger kids. Then she splits up from her husband,the youngest child is in foster care , I am I supposed to believe that this is because Mrs Wyatt is very able to cope so it was a great informed and educated decision to have yet more children wasn't it?
Now she won't even see her daughter. And you are asking me to have compasion and feel sorry for this woman. I can now safely say not only do I not feel compassion but I feel extreme anger towards how she has behaved. I am gobsmacked that there are people here who think she has right on her side, absolutely amazing.
Lets' see how much more of my money she can spend. perhaps she's like to have a few more kids that she can't look after, after all it would her right wouldn't it?

By sorrell on Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 4:15:46 PMBecause you are the voice of reason here

no for sure i am not. but can i just ask how long have you had PND

So what would you like to do to punish her Kitty?

sorry computer's playing up

Sorrell said Debbie Wyatt had been diagnosed with PND.
Kitty, can't you infer from the way the Wyatts' current situation is being reported that it is not that they won't cope, but that they can't? Have some compassion FGS, these are vulnerable people who need some space and sympathy .

God, these are ridiculous people. PND? What an utterly stupid thing to post.

mrs wyatt seems very depressed to me. it seems she needs a lot of support herself

you are right they are vulnerable people

Well I read it as some kind of surreal insult. Maybe I'm wrong. Who can tell?

Exactly misdee. All this jabbing away at the Wyatts seems pigheadedly cruel to me, it really does
Easy to accuse a family of fecklessness and improvidence when you have no idea what their day to day existence is like

I was just asking, I thought you mite like to talk about that...

What on earth are you on about?

What would I do, nothing. i can't do anything. There's no point locking the stable door once the horse has bolted, but I would in the future make more difficult for people to behave so irresponsibly without having to give a damn about the consequences. It's about money.The woman at the school I worked at kept on having children, she knew she wouldn't have to look after them. She knew that the state would always pick up the pieces. She had absolutely no incentive to think about whether shagging without contraception would impinge on her life because once she had finished with kid she could give it away. I would make it much, much more difficult for these people to get hold of that money, in what ever form. Don't ask me how now, thinking that one out would take along, long time.